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php vs asp

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:52 am
by m2babaey
I have heard asp is more powerful that php.
is that correct?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:14 am
by superdezign
No. 'Powerful' is very subjective.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:19 am
by Charles256
I would say that ASP.NET 2.0 along with web developer may lead to quicker development times than someone using say PHP and Zend. Granted, tha tis sort of like comparing cake and apples. To be fair when using web developer you'd probably have to be using some sort of framework along with PHP to even out the advantage but even then I think web developer would allow slightly quicker development time assuming equal levels of experience. I wouldn't use the word "powerful" though. In my opinion, I am more "powerful" than any language. :-D

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:04 am
by m2babaey
I meant there are sites that can be built by asp but not by php
is that true?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:13 am
by superdezign
You'd certainly have to give an example. The last company I worked for converted all of their ASP pages into PHP.

I think the only things that would even possibly be ASP-exclusive would also be IE-exclusive, which is useless in my opinion.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:15 am
by The Phoenix
m2babaey wrote:I meant there are sites that can be built by asp but not by php
is that true?
We'd need more context. We can't 'prove' that PHP 'can do anything', so we'd need to understand what ASP is doing in the example, to show whether PHP can.

But as a general statement, PHP can usually do what ASP can (just in dramatically different ways).

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:51 pm
by alex.barylski
Anything you can do in ASP.NET you can do in PHP. Infact I would argue that PHP (via extensions) is likely more powerful in this regard.

ASP.NET does have the advantage of a standard framework and a excellent IDE which can speed up development time.

your are tied to microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:44 pm
by yacahuma
I cant imagine any language being easier than php. certainly not jsp. But you are asking about asp. ASP is a piece of junk, period. Your are tied to Microsoft product all the way. PHP you can do shell and web development all in one multiplatform language.

About your next question. No, there is nothing php cannot do.

My friend, PHP is cool and easy. Dont waste your time on anything else.


Where can I get an I love PHP t-shirt?

BTW, charles256 asp development faster than PHP? Give me a break. Well, maybe if the php developer is sleeping at the time. It may happen. I am not sure.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:48 pm
by timvw
m2babaey wrote:I meant there are sites that can be built by asp but not by php
is that true?
No it's not true. What is a site? Nothing more than (dynamically generated) html... Any webplatform would allow you to achieve that... I believe it's a lot harder to generate real-life websites that are standards compliant (x)html with asp.net than with php

(ignoring the silly demos that ms gave us to showcase that asp.net can actually generate compliant html if you don't use any of the controls provided with the framework....)

Re: your are tied to microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:50 pm
by timvw
yacahuma wrote:No, there is nothing php cannot do.
Ok, show us how to do multithreading with php then...

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:54 pm
by Benjamin
Rudimentary threading: pcntl_fork()

Re: your are tied to microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:00 pm
by Charles256
yacahuma wrote:I cant imagine any language being easier than php. certainly not jsp. But you are asking about asp. ASP is a piece of junk, period. Your are tied to Microsoft product all the way. PHP you can do shell and web development all in one multiplatform language.

About your next question. No, there is nothing php cannot do.

My friend, PHP is cool and easy. Dont waste your time on anything else.


Where can I get an I love PHP t-shirt?

BTW, charles256 asp development faster than PHP? Give me a break. Well, maybe if the php developer is sleeping at the time. It may happen. I am not sure.
I'm going to reply to this as calmly as possible.. : bites off smart remark : Have you ever used ASP.NET 2.0 with Visual Web Developer? Ever? Ever even seen someone else use it? Unless you're argument is tied to something more than "microsoft sucks " go.... : resists another smart comment : . I left in my thoughts about the smart comments so you can fill in the data if you're creative. If not, oh well.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:04 pm
by Benjamin
Can someone show me the code "written" by this editor?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:08 pm
by Charles256
Workig on generating some code. Complete newb with ASP 2.0 and this IDE so it'll take me a second because I can't yet remember how to do anything. :-D
EDIT: Not to mention my computer is running oddly slow... :-/

Re: your are tied to microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:26 pm
by superdezign
Charles256 wrote:I'm going to reply to this as calmly as possible.. : bites off smart remark : Have you ever used ASP.NET 2.0 with Visual Web Developer? Ever? Ever even seen someone else use it? Unless you're argument is tied to something more than "microsoft sucks " go.... : resists another smart comment : . I left in my thoughts about the smart comments so you can fill in the data if you're creative. If not, oh well.
Why so defensive? Didn't you just recently start learning ASP?