Ye' old general discussion board. Basically, for everything that isn't covered elsewhere. Come here to shoot the breeze, shoot your mouth off, or whatever suits your fancy. This forum is not for asking programming related questions.
astions wrote:I remember a long time ago seeing something that basically said that telling someone to RTM was not an acceptable answer.
I don't see how telling someone to "search google" is an acceptable answer either. If your going to tell someone to search google, at least tell them what to search for.
General Posting Guidelines. There is a section for asking questions (which starts with Search) and there is a section for answering questions, which mentions to not just answer with 'RTFM'.
I think that offering someone a search term is adequate. Searching for them is too much in my opinion. When a user comes here and asks a question that has already been answered here (almost verbatim) I think telling them to search is helpful to them because it teaches them to look first before asking. Personally, I find nothing wrong with that.
Not *every* search result in Google is relevant. There's a lot of garbage online, especially when it comes to programmers who think that they are more experienced than they actually are.
I think the real problem here is just saying "google it". Instead of asking politely what the user has tried, ie: "have you tried searching your problem on google?"
"google it" comes off as a bit harsh and to a newbie, may sound like the poster has no interest in answering their question. Asking them IF they have googled, and maybe providing something to search for, shows that the user does care, but wants the OP to help themself.
Set Search Time - A google chrome extension. When you search only results from the past year (or set time period) are displayed. Helps tremendously when using new technologies to avoid outdated results.
I think for those of us that have been here a while, it gets a little old seeing posts like
Will this work?
or
What would happen if I did this?
or
How do you get every other row of a table to change color?
or
How do I replace each 'foo' with 'bar'?
or
What means 'Headers already sent' and how I fix it?
Most of those questions can be answered by either A) trying it; or B) searching here; or C) searching somewhere else. My response usually bypasses the 'what have you tried' routine as I like to give most folks the benefit of the doubt that they tried something. The next step is to ask them to search because in almost half of the posts I respond to the question has been asked before and a simple search would have revealed the answer to the poster.
Luckily, the posts we get here aren't usually as annoying as on other forums (Can sum1 give me source code and detailed explanation of xxx??? Plz, it's urgent!!!!!!!), and we're so active that if we all don't agree with a "Google it" post, someone will likely offer further information.
Hmm yes I think I'll be saying "have you tried a web search?" rather than "search in google" from now on. Otherwise you can always do the google search yourself and give them a link to the first result. Same applies to this forum.
ole wrote:Hmm yes I think I'll be saying "have you tried a web search?"
Yeah... Why promote Google? What have they done for us?? :-p
They just got lucky that they have a name that can be used as a verb. It's weird to say "Have you Yahoo'd?" "Did you MSN Live?" "Have you Excited?" "Go get Baiku'd!"
ole wrote:Hmm yes I think I'll be saying "have you tried a web search?"
Yeah... Why promote Google? What have they done for us?? :-p
They just got lucky that they have a name that can be used as a verb. It's weird to say "Have you Yahoo'd?" "Did you MSN Live?" "Have you Excited?" "Go get Baiku'd!"
I don't want to turn this into a debate. But Google has done a ton for the development and open source community. Way more than any other search engine.
hawleyjr wrote:I don't want to turn this into a debate. But Google has done a ton for the development and open source community. Way more than any other search engine.
It is in the rules that you should ask decent questions on this board and indeed many people do. Sometimes though it seems that people simply post without taking any time themselves to try and solve something. The question is why should we spend time answering them when we could be helping someone else who needs help and has already done some investigation of their problem. How To Ask Questions The Smart Way... If people cannot spend the time doing some prelim work and taking time to compose a meaningful question I am more likely to point them to "their favourite search engine" or post a link to the php.net command they may need to use (if I know it). Of course some times people don't know the correct search terms 'chained select' being a common one and I may or may not assist by giving this information depending on how I am feeling and also the general tone of the question. Someone saying I have searched for this, this and this will be more likely to get a direct link or the necessary search term.