I hate FF
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Since there is FF3 Beta1:
http://blog.codefront.net/2007/08/20/ho ... same-time/
How does it compare for stability on your system? Just downloading it now that I have a free moment or two.
http://blog.codefront.net/2007/08/20/ho ... same-time/
How does it compare for stability on your system? Just downloading it now that I have a free moment or two.
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although i use FF every day (currently 2.0.0.9) i last week tried FF3, and was not impressed to say the least.
As well, one thing that really <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> me off is the well documented memory leak. This is no word of a lie, this morning, 5 tabs, 612mb of memory, and it wasnt even demanding web-sites with flash etc, it was pretty standard sites with no media.
I have demanding PC games that dont even use this.
Personally, and im inviting a flame war here, if it wasnt for IE's complete inability to follow standards and my need to develop standards compliants websites, i would dump FF entirely and switch back to IE because, in my opinion, it is the most lightweight of the popular browsers ive ever used.
Now seriously, Firefox is an open source system, and they still havent fixed the memory leaks, i mean i understand that its also due to the plugins but why not ensure all plugins are safe before releasing them, as sort of a quality control?
I couldnt live without my extensions (pagerank, web developer, compete, colorzilla, google preview, session manager) but seriously, the major ''selling' point of firefox is an absolute joke in terms of resources used.
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As well, one thing that really <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span> me off is the well documented memory leak. This is no word of a lie, this morning, 5 tabs, 612mb of memory, and it wasnt even demanding web-sites with flash etc, it was pretty standard sites with no media.
I have demanding PC games that dont even use this.
Personally, and im inviting a flame war here, if it wasnt for IE's complete inability to follow standards and my need to develop standards compliants websites, i would dump FF entirely and switch back to IE because, in my opinion, it is the most lightweight of the popular browsers ive ever used.
Now seriously, Firefox is an open source system, and they still havent fixed the memory leaks, i mean i understand that its also due to the plugins but why not ensure all plugins are safe before releasing them, as sort of a quality control?
I couldnt live without my extensions (pagerank, web developer, compete, colorzilla, google preview, session manager) but seriously, the major ''selling' point of firefox is an absolute joke in terms of resources used.
my $0.02
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How many have you used...? Internet Explorer isn't exactly light weight (except in comparison to Firefox) or fast, and each version only gets beefier.malcolmboston wrote:Personally, and im inviting a flame war here, if it wasnt for IE's complete inability to follow standards and my need to develop standards compliants websites, i would dump FF entirely and switch back to IE because, in my opinion, it is the most lightweight of the popular browsers ive ever used.
That's a risk of end-user development. We all know that we don't *have* to use the extensions, but we choose to anyway.malcolmboston wrote:Now seriously, Firefox is an open source system, and they still havent fixed the memory leaks, i mean i understand that its also due to the plugins but why not ensure all plugins are safe before releasing them, as sort of a quality control?
Grass is always greener on the other side, isn't it?
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And as an open source project, you can actively help this become a reality! Isn't that something?malcolmboston wrote:Now seriously, Firefox is an open source system, and they still havent fixed the memory leaks, i mean i understand that its also due to the plugins but why not ensure all plugins are safe before releasing them, as sort of a quality control?
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I will leave that to more talented developers than myself thank youKieran Huggins wrote:And as an open source project, you can actively help this become a reality! Isn't that something?malcolmboston wrote:Now seriously, Firefox is an open source system, and they still havent fixed the memory leaks, i mean i understand that its also due to the plugins but why not ensure all plugins are safe before releasing them, as sort of a quality control?
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There are alternatives. Opera and Safari for Windows both have a pretty lightweight memory footprint. But neither they, not IE, is as flexible as FF. I know there are add-ons and extensions for IE7, but they are not all open source and there still needs to be steady testing on them for compatibility. In fact, some of the IE extensions actually cost money.
FF is a memory hog. No doubt. The devs know about but have obviously found other items of higher priority to repair.
My biggest issue, as I have posted in this thread, is the seemingly unpredictable instability of FF. But as I test things out I am starting to become convinced that the instability is not within the browser but the extensions that are loaded. And specifically Firebug seems to be having the most problems. In fact, Google has a note on their Gmail help section that tells you to turn off Firbug for Google as a domain, or at the very least turn it off for Gmail as it is known to cause problems with Gmail.
FF is a memory hog. No doubt. The devs know about but have obviously found other items of higher priority to repair.
My biggest issue, as I have posted in this thread, is the seemingly unpredictable instability of FF. But as I test things out I am starting to become convinced that the instability is not within the browser but the extensions that are loaded. And specifically Firebug seems to be having the most problems. In fact, Google has a note on their Gmail help section that tells you to turn off Firbug for Google as a domain, or at the very least turn it off for Gmail as it is known to cause problems with Gmail.
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Just for a lark I opened up IE just now to load something. It's still horrifically slow. So back to FF, which is currently using 103.8MB of my RAM. To get to 600+ RAM usage, to me, is a telltale of an evil extension - I've never had FF come remotely close to that. Disable a few extensions and see what happens - it's a simple matter to isolate the one causing problems and selectively disable it (or complain to its developer).
. If you don't want 600MB of RAM vanishing, then quit using the extension causing it.
It's like any open source system out there. In return for absolute freedom, the project gets all the blame for some third party twit who didn't test an extension/plugin properly prior to release. Almost like the good old PHPNuke days, eh?
As I've said before, I use FF with the minimum number of extension I find useful, and I test every one before keeping it around. Result? FF doesn't crash, it doesn't have more than the typical memory leakage, and I've never felt tempted to more than check out alternatives. The price of freedom is to guard it jealously - probably why I feel I have to keep defending FF here
. Quit knocking my near perfect browser, ye horde!
They're not Mozilla's extensions. They were written by other folk and you accept the risk of memory hogging, instability and other bugs outside the control of Mozilla by installing them. In other words if FF is falling apart it's all your own doingNow seriously, Firefox is an open source system, and they still havent fixed the memory leaks, i mean i understand that its also due to the plugins but why not ensure all plugins are safe before releasing them, as sort of a quality control?
It's like any open source system out there. In return for absolute freedom, the project gets all the blame for some third party twit who didn't test an extension/plugin properly prior to release. Almost like the good old PHPNuke days, eh?
As I've said before, I use FF with the minimum number of extension I find useful, and I test every one before keeping it around. Result? FF doesn't crash, it doesn't have more than the typical memory leakage, and I've never felt tempted to more than check out alternatives. The price of freedom is to guard it jealously - probably why I feel I have to keep defending FF here
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