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I hate FF
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:43 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Piece of monkey crap browser
I tell you, I have never had so many crashes as I have since the 2.0.0.7 branch. And it just seems to get worse. I love the extensions because they make my job easier, but I am having such a crap of a time making it work in a stable way.
Incidentally, the 2.0.09 branch for Linux has also been given me problems on Fedora 7. But mostly this is happening to me on Windows.
Is anyone else having problems with FF? Even with extensions and themes disabled (even in safe mode) I am having problems.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:30 pm
by Kieran Huggins
Just the usual insane memory usage, even on a fresh session restore with fewer than 10 tabs (150 Mb+)
No crashes though.
Ole was complaining about odd behaviour on his MacBook though; maybe XP is immune?
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:32 pm
by RobertGonzalez
My issues are on XP. And to a lesser degree Fedora 7. I am giving up for now. I think I am more at peace with getting reacquainted with Opera than I am with trying to figure out FF.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:19 am
by Josh1billion
Firefox crashes often for me too with the recent versions. Never used to crash much, but in its current state it does crash for me several times per day (~3-4 per day, maybe). I'm on Windows XP, too.
Still a great browser though, so I'll stick with it and hope they fix the problems soon. Version 3.0 is apparently coming out very soon. I read an article saying that there were 700 "blocker" bugs (no idea what that means but sounds minor) unfixed which will remain unfixed with 3.0's release.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:09 am
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
I have used FF for since before 1.0 - in that time it has crashed a few times when faced with intensive Javascript or Java, and usually the Extensions of some type. In general - it doesn't crash for me except very rarely. I've used it on XP, Vista, Fedora, SUSE, and Ubuntu linux all with the same result - rock solid stability except with certain extensions.
Granted it really really loves RAM

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Right now after three hours of use it's consuming 53MB of RAM. Note - I disable many extensions until I need them. So it's lightly extended for everyday use - Greasemonkey, Web Developer, a few others I tend to depend on. Learned a long time ago not to trust too many extensions all loaded at once, and to make damn sure I test each one separately to detect the problem makers (crashing/even more RAM eating).
So, I'm the wrong person to complain to - everytime I hear about crashing, and 200MB RAM vanishing, I assume there's an extension or really long term use involved. I've never experienced problems otherwise. Using 2.0.0.9 here on all systems. I can't believe I'm the only person who has used Firefox for years without any mentionable problems not traceable to a bungled extension or four.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:06 am
by Weirdan
No crashes on Vista x64 with FF 2.0.0.9 here.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:31 am
by feyd
I think I've had three crashes using the few recent Mac versions. I do not recall it occurring in this build however.
Consumption right now for the day (a couple hours in) is at 129MB. That's about typical for me I believe.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:42 am
by RobertGonzalez
It crashes for me in safe mode though, and when I disable all extensions and themes. Consumption is something I have learned to live with. I usually get to 100MB with an hour or so (web mail clients using all that Ajaxy stuff tends to do that pretty quick) and toward the end of a single day I am usually upward of 200-225MB. But the crashing seems odd to me.
I have read in various places that Firebug has a tendency to screw with the browser, and I have diasbled it for Gmail and the like. But still, these crashes are just plain wierd because it seems that there is no one known state under which it dies. Even weirder, it is crashing most often before talk back can something wrong with it.
Oh well, I am just venting. With the new forums being as snappy as they are I want to be able to use them. When my browser is a suck pot, it makes it hard to enjoy the new digs.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:27 am
by Jenk
I've not had any problems using latest on both xp and gentoo, then again.. I've only got one extension loaded (FireBug) as most of the memory woes are with them and not FF.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:39 am
by Christopher
You may want to remove and reinstall Firefox. I haven't had he problems you mention. I have had Firefox get very slow with many tabs open. The only solution is to close all Firefox windows -- exiting the program completely.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:21 pm
by RobertGonzalez
That may be my next step, uninstalling and reinstalling. We'll see.
I am going to spend the next few sessions in FF in safe mode to see if anything happens, then I may try to narrow down my inspection to see if it is a particular extension causing the issues.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:23 pm
by John Cartwright
I wouldn't be so quick to blame firefox.. extensions have been notorious for all sorts of problems.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:30 pm
by RobertGonzalez
I know that a lot of my issues with the browser stem from the extensions. But I have also had the browser die in safe mode, with no extensions enabled and no themes enabled, so I know there is something up with the browser itself. I know that extensions exhascerbate those issues, I am just not sure how.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:00 am
by jmut
FF: 2.0.0.9
Add-ons : Selenium, ShowIP,WebDev, default theme only
Using slackware current
I'd say it starts thinking on 10+ tabs....sometimes hangs when I cancel flash loading or something...but this is some flash thingy..cannot blame browser.
If casual browsing - 2-3 tabs, no problems
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:02 am
by RobertGonzalez
Yesterday I had it open only for something in Yahoo mail. It was open for maybe an hour. It was fine as long as I didn't use it. When I closed the browser using the 'X', it crashed and sent an error report. That's nice.
So far Opera has not let me down and has not consumed the lion's share of my RAM. Of course, this browser has no useful extensions at all. But still, it is not IE and it works.