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Microsoft announces newest OS: Windows XP

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:21 pm
by RobertGonzalez
I loved this. It is absolutely awesome:

http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archi ... ws-xp.aspx

I know it seems like I am hating on Microsoft a lot lately, but the truth of the matter is, I am. I have had a particular distaste for them for a while now and everything I find that is funny I have no choice but to share.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:02 pm
by Benjamin
So true

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:09 pm
by vigge89
My thoughts exactly and the reason I'm still using WinXP. I tried out Vista for two weeks but the "Wow!"-feeling was already gone one minute after the installation finished. It's just a huge, bloated and choppy piece of crap compared to XP.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:28 pm
by John Cartwright
astions wrote:So true
So sad it's so true :lol:

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:56 pm
by alex.barylski
:lol:

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:06 pm
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
I'm currently compiling PHP for Windows Vista. I take offense to these accusations Vista is a bloated piece of crap. Crap has more functional value! Nay, Vista is brilliant, inspiring, almost revolutionary. It has to be - Microsoft swear it is. They went so far as to release two whole incredibly well received games which ran solely on Vista; until some punks decided to make them run on XP and ruin the fun by pointing out they ran better on XP anyway...and were sort of bad. They released Visual C++ 2008 - packaged with a pre-release SDK. They improved windows explorer with highly anticipated tags, date taken, and other media goodies and applied them to everything - even directories full of php files - and left out those naughty date modified and size tabs that nobody surely cares about. And then there's the new security features! New, so new they squeek, so new everyone lies XP already had them. And the ability to still copy the hard drive but only if you have a sophisticated Linux Live disk (available from your newsagent). Brilliant! Let's not forget the improved right-click method. Click once to do nothing, click twice to do anything. Incredible!

I'm buying a Mac in January...just to prove it's inferior which will probably take a few years of continual daily use.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:11 pm
by John Cartwright
Maugrim_The_Reaper wrote:I'm currently compiling PHP for Windows Vista. I take offense to these accusations Vista is a bloated piece of crap. Crap has more functional value! Nay, Vista is brilliant, inspiring, almost revolutionary. It has to be - Microsoft swear it is. They went so far as to release two whole incredibly well received games which ran solely on Vista; until some punks decided to make them run on XP and ruin the fun by pointing out they ran better on XP anyway...and were sort of bad. They released Visual C++ 2008 - packaged with a pre-release SDK. They improved windows explorer with highly anticipated tags, date taken, and other media goodies and applied them to everything - even directories full of php files - and left out those naughty date modified and size tabs that nobody surely cares about. And then there's the new security features! New, so new they squeek, so new everyone lies XP already had them. And the ability to still copy the hard drive but only if you have a sophisticated Linux Live disk (available from your newsagent). Brilliant! Let's not forget the improved right-click method. Click once to do nothing, click twice to do anything. Incredible!

I'm buying a Mac in January...just to prove it's inferior which will probably take a few years of continual daily use.
I thought you were serious for a second. 8O

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:24 pm
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
I was serious. Well, for some of it. Maybe the first line: http://blog.astrumfutura.com/archives/327-Compiling-PHP-for-Windows-Vista-using-Visual-C++-Express-2008-Seriously!.html ;)

P.S. URL parsing breaks on exclamation marks...had to use tinyurl for this one. Are we running under Vista? ;)

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:51 pm
by Kieran Huggins
It's odd to see this exodus of programmers to Apple. I never would have bet on this a few years ago.

Come to think of it, isn't that what gave Microsoft the edge pre-95?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:58 pm
by RobertGonzalez
It was bound to happen. With MS making things as crappy as they have and Apple switching things to a cooler interface, easier to use apps and a Unix platform, they (Apple and MS) had to know that developers were going to be changing sides.

My next machine(s) is/are Mac.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:02 pm
by Weirdan
Funny, am I the only one who run Vista without any problems? Granted, I didn't do any performance comparisons against XP, but to me it looks like Vista x64 runs on my hardware just as smoothly as XP x32 did.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:11 pm
by Benjamin
Weirdan wrote:Funny, am I the only one who run Vista without any problems? Granted, I didn't do any performance comparisons against XP, but to me it looks like Vista x64 runs on my hardware just as smoothly as XP x32 did.
Maybe the issues that annoy most of us don't bother you, or you use it in such a way that you don't notice them.

I seriously cannot stand vista. Very simple tasks have now become incredibly complex. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, because I have only used it maybe a combined total of 5 hours since I bought my laptop, and even then I am usually just waiting for something to be processed so I can reboot into Linux.

I think this is bad karma catching up with them. They tried to do something unethical and ended up with a nasty beast that very few people are fond of.

If I didn't use Linux I would just wipe vista off this thing and replace it with XP. I don't mind XP too much. After using Linux for several years though, if I switched to Windows I would feel like I was installing AOL.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:33 pm
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
I purchased Vista back last Spring and have been using it continually since alongside Ubuntu. I find it's bloated, slow (not a processor issue - copying, opening, moving files is really slower), has some funky file directory details obsessed by media types, the right click menu doesn't load on the first click (takes two to see all options), Windows Defender doesn't like me, Windows Explorer regularly crashes, there's some really really stupid bug that insists on some applications I must use US Keyboard and characters which is bugging me silly, the Start Menu sucks (folders?), the shut down button is hidden and the stand down button has the internationally recognised OFF symbol, it doesn't properly shutdown from non-administrator accounts, networking still doesn't make sense, etc. I've had months of use to figure out that I don't like Vista - XP at least was reasonably honest about it's *fewer* problems and didn't provoke me much.

I use it all the time, and outside the flaws there's a sparkle of progress in numerous areas. The poor execution just sucks all the fun out of it, and makes you want to get back to XP. It reminds of a really decent game handicapped by a publisher with a "fix all bugs later if we make a profit" attitude. And it is poor execution - I refuse to believe simple design flaws are symptomatic of a years long quality process. They crapped out somewhere along the line. Typical monopoly symptom.

It's also worth noting I had no reason to move to Mac when XP was around and never previously considered it - Vista makes a good motive to make the move and try something a lot of people here consider a better user experience. If Vista lived up to some expectations I'd probably just stay complacent and not move. As it is it just comes off as a poorly executed XP with furry visual gadgetry.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:42 pm
by Jonah Bron
I've had vista for about 6 months, and it's been nice...mostly.

I have noticed "right-click once to do nothing, twice to do everything". Restarts, hibernations, locks, logoffs, etc are a pain. Windows explorer is really slow, but then again, I just have a dinky dell latitude.
... instead of the whole operating system locking down for several seconds, it now just locks down the application I am working on ...
Interesting, I have experienced it the other way around. I find that in xp, if you have an error, the whole computer gets it, and you end up having to restart. In vista, it places a white film over the application, brings up an error dialogue box, you click it, the applications closes, and the error is gone forever. Hmm...[/quote]

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:22 pm
by Weirdan
the right click menu doesn't load on the first click (takes two to see all options)
Never experienced this
slow (not a processor issue - copying, opening, moving files is really slower)
That is, file operations using windows explorer are ridiculously slow - but I use Total Commander for file operations, and 25MB/sec when copying a file to the same disk that contains it is not that slow.
there's some really really stupid bug that insists on some applications I must use US Keyboard and characters which is bugging me silly,
That must be an application issue... on my girlfriend's computer I had to set regional settings to Russian to make some poorly written programs she likes for some unknown reasons actually work with russian fonts and keyboard.
the shut down button is hidden and the stand down button has the internationally recognised OFF symbol
That sucks, but that is a minor annoyance to me.
it doesn't properly shutdown from non-administrator accounts,
It does for me.

Most of the complaints I heard thus far were about Vista x32 on laptops. Somehow this makes me think laptops do actually suck, not vista, because I haven't experienced most of the problems I heard about on desktop dual-core AMD64 with Vista Ultimate x64.

BTW, here are my specs:
Processor: AMD64 x2 4000+
MB: ASUS M2NPV-VM
RAM: 2G 800MHz DDR2 Hynix
HDD: 400GB Seagate Barracuda
Video: Nvidia Gforce 8800GT
Os: Vista Ultimate x64