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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:48 pm
by Maugrim_The_Reaper
Silverlight integration, and mysterious Flash bugs

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Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:29 pm
by John Cartwright
Wikipedia: Internet Explorer wrote:
However, the version of IE8 that will be released will not pass Acid2 as it will require pages to specifically request to be rendered in IE8 standards mode, and Acid2 does not request this.
I certainly spoke too soon! This is freaking ridiculous.. IE8 standards mode.. what a joke.
Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:16 pm
by Jenk
I knew it. We're witnessing MS trying to claim credit for something they never did. This time it's "Setting the web standard"
Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:36 pm
by Kieran Huggins
IE* FTL

Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:24 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Sometimes I wish IE could be shot in the face with a bazooka.
Silly rabbits
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:52 pm
by Ollie Saunders
Calm down everyone. Firefox works in exactly the same way. Have you never right-clicked and choosen page info? What's the third bit of information there --- "Render Mode". You turn on standards mode by using the appropriate doctype. XHTML doctype definitely does it, I think strict HTML 4.01 might as well. This has been the case for ages already and is the reason why all those sites using deprecated markup still look how they did back in the 90s. Opera and Safari won't handle deprecated markup correctly because they don't have this feature. Separate quirks and standards modes is a good thing, really.
Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:17 pm
by RobertGonzalez
The one thing that article doesn't say is what triggers IE8 Standards mode. Knowing them, you will have to put some non-standard MS proprietary tag in the markup to make it render that way.
Or better yet, you would have to change a setting in your IE options to render a page in standards mode. For each page.
Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:41 pm
by Ollie Saunders
Why would that do it like that? So that all standards compliant pages render incorrectly? Nobody wants that. They would hardly go to all the effort of implementing all that compliance stuff without having it be applied sensibly.
Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:51 pm
by RobertGonzalez
Kinda like they did with IE7
I am just a basher of MS until they show me that can do it correctly, which they haven't.
Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:22 pm
by Ollie Saunders
Well, better a Microsoft basher than an open source one, I guess.
Re: IE8: "On the path to Web Standards Compliance"
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:51 pm
by pickle
The difference between Firefox & IE in this case would be the way they turn on standards mode. Firefox is choosing the appropriate mode for the document. If the document says it's written in a standardized way (by setting a DOCTYPE), then Firefox uses that mode.
The difference is that IE (it appears) wouldn't use any standard, established way of communicating what rendering mode to use & would instead (and yet again) use their own proprietary method.
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:28 pm
by Ollie Saunders
IE 6 and 7's both use the doctype in order to identify standards compliance already, why would they change and invent something new? I guess you could argue that they are maniacs, but then you could say anything:
Mr. Daz Says-Anything wrote:I proclaim that in the next release of IE Microsoft are undoubtedly going to force web authors to choose from a limited "Microsoft-certified" colour pallet, featuring only lime green, hot fuchsia pink, puke brown and cyan.
Your all speculating anyway. Don't just bash Microsoft because it's fashionable (god when will the fashion ever end!). Yes, they do some pretty stupid, arrogant stuff but for once one particular team working for Microsoft is showing that it
is listening to the people and has worked hard to achieve it. Give them a break ffs! Remember when you make comments about the IE developers you are referring to real people.
If you
really wanna bash Microsoft start with their plans to ignore the open document standard, that really is an abomination.
Re:
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:24 am
by Weirdan
ole wrote:If you really wanna bash Microsoft start with their plans to ignore the open document standard, that really is an abomination.
Why would they? They were a considerable force in its standardization after all.
Re: Re:
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:15 am
by matthijs
Weirdan wrote:ole wrote:If you really wanna bash Microsoft start with their plans to ignore the open document standard, that really is an abomination.
Why would they? They were a considerable force in its standardization after all.
By implementing their own, "semi-open/closed" format OOXML instead of the real open Open Document Format?
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:59 am
by matthijs
ole wrote:IE 6 and 7's both use the doctype in order to identify standards compliance already, why would they change and invent something new? I guess you could argue that they are maniacs, but then you could say anything:
Mr. Daz Says-Anything wrote:I proclaim that in the next release of IE Microsoft are undoubtedly going to force web authors to choose from a limited "Microsoft-certified" colour pallet, featuring only lime green, hot fuchsia pink, puke brown and cyan.
So it appears Mr. Daz Says-Anything is right. They did invent something new.
Please read the new article on alistapart about IE8?
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/beyonddoctype
More on
http://annevankesteren.nl/2008/01/ie-lock-in and
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/0 ... d-ie8.aspx
This is insane. They want to use some new form of browser sniffing by using meta tags! Now web developers not only need to set conditional comments to target specific IE versions, but meta tags as well. They are afraid they will break the web with new versions of their browser. Guess what Microsoft, you already broke the web with your browsers.
I say, again, stop developing IE. Let it die slowly and let everybody switch to any of the other great browsers out there.
If we would follow Microsoft, our webpages will look like this in a few years:
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<html some Doctype here, I think. Maybe. />
<head>
[b]<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=8;FF=3;OtherUA=4" />[/b]
<!-- bugger, did I forget some browsers?? -->
<!-- IF IE6 -->
// ...
<!--ENDIF-->
<!-- IF IE5 -->
// ...
<!--ENDIF-->
<style>
/* @IE8:supermode=true */
#normal{ rules-go:here;
}
</style>
</head>
..
And then set a splash page on your site, saying, "This site is best viewed in IE7 or 8. maybe also IE6. I Think. Firefox 3.01 is also ok. But not FF 3.0. Using Opera? Too bad."