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book

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:10 am
by dd_hire
Hi, I am newly start PHP programming.for good programmer which book i will reffer

Re: book

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:48 am
by Ollie Saunders
Learning PHP 5, publisher: O'Reilly.

Re: book

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:23 pm
by alex.barylski
Hmmmm

I think I would suggest "Head First - Design Patterns"

Ironically I have a copy for sale...10 bucks off cover price - perfect condition... :)

Re: book

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:04 pm
by Ollie Saunders
How convenient then that you should recommend it. :)
Out of interest, how did you find it? I think I recommended it to you, I vaguely recall.

Re: book

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:07 pm
by alex.barylski
ole wrote:How convenient then that you should recommend it. :)
Out of interest, how did you find it? I think I recommended it to you, I vaguely recall.
I hate it...no offsense... :P

I don't think u recommended me that book though...I bought it impulsively at a Chapters years ago...not even sure if I was a member here yet or not...I tried selling/trading it here before...but had no bites so that is maybe why the situation sounds familiar. :)

Anyways, of all the design pattern books/articles/pdf's I've read...it has to be the most...I dunno how to say it...

I don't like the authors writing style at all...to many anologies...to many quasi-scenarios...I can't stand when books use ducks and pizza's as example of objects...

I don't know about you, but the last time I developed an application...I wasn't modeling ducks...I was modeling bank accounts, user accounts and other complex systems...I prefer real world, pragmatic examples...

I realize that perhaps using a simple object, such as a square or a duck or bird might remove some of the complexity...but it also I find...obscures the practicality behind any solution...

Just a personal opinion of course...most people seem to like it over at Amazon reviews, etc...

It's funny, cause, I have a very particular taste in what or how I like to read and learn...if the teaching style isn't what I expect I immediately tune out - why I failed so miserably in school throughout the years I imagine.

Manuals are best, they avoid personal stories and other areas of non-interest which just obfuscate the subject...

Straight and to the point...no anologies...no long drawn out stories of past experiences, etc...I just find it wastes my time...

p.s-Sorry for the rant...I just feel that book was a waste of money...the chapters are so full of "blah" it's difficult to even use that book as a reference material...so instead I printed the Java Blue Prints design patterns...

p.s.s-Anyone wanna trade still? :) Books on Debian, LDAP, DNS, PostFix or the original GoF book... :D

Cheers :)

Re: book

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:07 am
by Ollie Saunders
hehe it may surprise you to know that I completely agree with you. Nevertheless that book managed to teach me a huge amount. I think I valued it for the information contained rather than the way it tought it. It can be difficult to separate the two things in your mind.

Re: book

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:16 pm
by alex.barylski
As long as you learned something I guess, but honestly I don't think I did. Each time I try and read it, I cringe after about 3 minutes and typically stop reading - so it' been a real waste for me. Of course, ones man's trash is another mans treasure, so I figured I'd try and trade it or sell it. :P