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Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:50 am
by supermike
Check this out:

http://ninjamonkeys.co.za/2008/04/08/ru ... structure/

Says it's only going to be available for Python. So I wanted to ask, what's going to be the response from the PHP community? I mean, I hope this doesn't mean that all my clients will be abandoning the LAMP stack for this stack because it offers a cheaper cost, faster speed, and higher bandwidth.

I really don't like Python. I've done some of it before to do some GNOME applets and it drove me insane.

I did read this quote on Google's site, however:

"Other programming languages and runtime environment configurations are being considered for future releases."

I can only think that the next one will be PHP, while Java might be a lot harder.

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:54 am
by John Cartwright
I'd have to know what Google's App Engine is before I care :)


//runs off to research

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:01 am
by onion2k
That could be absolutely immense ... if people were willing to adopt Python. It's definitely a good reason to learn it.

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:16 am
by matthijs
Looks interesting.
I mean, I hope this doesn't mean that all my clients will be abandoning the LAMP stack for this stack because it offers a cheaper cost, faster speed, and higher bandwidth.
If your clients switch because they think any of the LAMP hosting out there is too expensive then you're probably better off without those clients. I mean, if they can't afford $50 a year for some hosting, what do they expect to pay you for your services? 0.50 for a contact form? 2 dollars for a webpage? 10 for building a social web application? :wink:

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:27 am
by bovermyer
onion2k wrote:That could be absolutely immense ... if people were willing to adopt Python. It's definitely a good reason to learn it.
I've heard good things about Python, and there's really no reason not to learn a new language. That's especially true of such a popular one as Python.

That said, I'd like to hear why Google chose Python over other options.

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:55 pm
by supermike
I crave the day when Google finds some affordable, money-making way for them to offer inexpensive Virtual Private Server (VPS) solutions for people in a VM, and then make it use the Google File System (GFS), and make it more affordable than any other VPS solution on the market. People could then pick the Linux flavor they want, install LAMP, and run with it. Perhaps Google could make their money back by detecting textual context of pages served up inside these VPSes, and ensure that this user's Gmail account gets a full dose of AdSense geared towards that content in addition to the content of their emails.

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:39 am
by Chris Corbyn
We pretty much ruled it out immediately since they're locking you into their hardware and their infrastructure right away... Maybe when someone writes an EC2 compatability layer for it it may be more realistic. Pretty much this is only of use if you are starting a project from scratch and don't mind being locked to their hosting for the lifetime of the project.

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:56 pm
by supermike
Chris Corbyn wrote:We pretty much ruled it out immediately since they're locking you into their hardware and their infrastructure right away
Someone tried to change my mind on Google. Said that what they have are VPSes here. (Virtual Private Servers, or VMs.) So, you can take your VM and float it somewhere else as well. And inside your little VPS, you can install whatever you want, someone claims. And their infrastructure taint so bad, neither -- can't beat it, hands down.

I really think if they can make it affordable, and can run PHP/MySQL, they just might have me convinced to switch to them.

But Google's darn policies are so aggravating. Ever try and do AM stuff with them? They like kill all the fun real fast.

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:15 pm
by Weirdan
bovermyer wrote:That said, I'd like to hear why Google chose Python over other options.
The factor might be Guido (initial author of Python and (perhaps) most influential person in Python community) working for them. This is like hiring Linus Torvalds - you would definitely run Linux :)

Re: Google's New Infrastructure Offering

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:19 pm
by Christopher
I don't think Google said they are only going to do Python. They said that is their first of several offerings. In fact, the first item on their todo list is:

"Support for more languages. We're obviously huge Python fans, but we recognize that there are other great languages out there that developers use to build web applications."