Ubuntu 8.04 released

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Ubuntu 8.04 released

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Ubuntu 8.04 is now out of beta. I downloaded it today and installed it as a Windows app using Wubi. And I gotta say, I love it.

Just wanted to let you all know that I am freaking stoked about this OS. I may ditch Windows completely in favor of Ubuntu.

Oh yeah, and I forgot to add that getting wireless networking running was way easier than I thought it would be, thanks to this article on getting a Broadcomm wireless card enabled on Ubuntu 8.04.
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Re: Ubuntu 8.04 released

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Yep, it's cool and I've got it. I run both Win XP and Ubuntu 8 on my machine since I got a new PC. On my old PC I used to use Ubuntu as my main OS and whenever I wanted XP I had to physically replace HD since I failed to setup a dual boot.
Recently I've been on XP more than on Ubuntu since I needed to read a certain file type that doesn't work properly on Ubuntu, but other than such situations... I use Ubuntu, it's really great :D
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I've been running Ubuntu since last June. It was a fairly nice way to switch from Windows.
I still run Windows on the monitor next to it however, and Use a program so I can just move my mouse over to the next computer, and use the same keyboard and mouse :mrgreen: comes in handy!

I'm currently on 7.10, and have downloaded 8 but haven't taken the time to upgrade yet.
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Hey people, I'm a hard-core linux user for over 2 years now. I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 on both my workstation and laptop; only boot into windows for gaming and adobe photoshop - the rest I use VirtualBox. However, If you use a USB mouse I wish to note that when you reboot from the update, if your mouse fails to move, you must boot into the recovery kernal. Once booted run the command:

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vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
and remove the CorePointer line from the mouse section. Reboot and enjoy a functional mouse.

Found this out the hard way. ;) Wasn't too hard to figure out though.

Another small issue I had was when I do a sudo command in the konsole I keep receiving the error message of "sudo: unable to resolve host (my hostname - Devlon)". To stop this error I just ran the command:

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vim /etc/hosts
and added (replacing the host and domain with your information)

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127.0.0.1 host host.domain
Have fun and make sure you enable desktop effects!

Love ya guys!
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Everah wrote:Ubuntu 8.04 is now out of beta. I downloaded it today and installed it as a Windows app using Wubi. And I gotta say, I love it.
Everah, I'm generally a FreeBSD guy myself and never used ubunu except for the live CD's. What is wubi exactly? If I install ubuntu from within windows, can I open it as an app, or do I need to reboot into ubuntu? It would be nice to use it as an application to dink around in rather than an OS.
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I just upgraded... wow, that was smoooooooooooooth!

I can't help but notice that the typography has changed significantly, and I may just love it.
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Wubi is a spin off of the Lubi project, an initiative to be able to install Ubuntu as an app inside of Linux (Linux UBuntu Installer).

Wubi is relatively transparent on the live CD. Basically, once you burn the ISO pop it in the drive while in Windows you are given three options: Demo Ubuntu by booting to the live CD, install Ubuntu as a Windows app (which does require rebooting) or install Ubuntu as your default OS.

The installation of Ubuntu as a Windows app took about 10 minutes. Booting into it takes all of 1 minute. Because it runs as an app it is a little slower than a regular OS. The trade off, of course, is that you can uninstall it from the Windows Add/Remove programs menu without any changes to your hard drive or boot loader.

Overall I am very pleased with it. Tonight I am going to be setting some more stuff into it and, if it holds up, I might just ditch my Windows installation for a complete installation of Ubuntu. Yes, it is that nice.
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What's the main reason you guys use a linux OS for? Performance? Not worrying about viruses? Coolness? What is it? I'm yet to jump into the graphical linux territory. Just curious.
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I am sick of Windows being stupid. Things are not working for me the way they should. It is slow, heavy, does not stay working like I want it to and is prone to all sorts of crap that Linux is not.

I don't need the gaming capability because I am not a gamer so as long as I can write and test applications and manipulate/create graphics, I am happy with it.

Since everything is free in Linux I can get the same application capability out of it that I can from Windows at literally $0 cost.

Most of my time is spent in a *nix environment (work is Unix/Linux, my dedicated servers are all Linux) so it makes more sense to be using the environment that I am in the most.

What exactly does Windows have to offer that Linux does not?

There are other reasons, but really I am just sick of Windows and its performance.
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Everah wrote:What exactly does Windows have to offer that Linux does not?
Well see... that's been the only reason why I haven't installed Ubuntu yet. For instance, I primarily work in all the Adobe applications. And I use almost every Adobe App out there (photoshop, illustrator, premiere pro, after effects, audition, encore, etc etc.). And to my knowledge, only photoshop has been ported to Ubuntu. I also work with a lot of tech gadgetry and a $500 sound card for my audio equipment (drivers are Win only :( ).

So I'm stuck in the world of Windows for now. I'm probably one of the few people who loves Windows. And I have a new iMac! I absolutely hate Mac and OS X with a passion. The only apple product I like is their 30" cinema display, which I have on my PC. I truly believe something is wrong with you if you think Mac's are the greatest thing ever (I'm going to be hated from now on :mrgreen: )

I haven't had performance issues with Windows for about 3 years now since I started not going to websites that were big targets for hackers (You will never find me on a myspace or facebook page). And ZoneAlarm Security Suite is the best thing since sliced bread. A security suite that actually works and is designed well.

And then I always get attacked by my buddy for Window's security... saying it's really bad. I think Windows is actually a very secure environment (besides viruses of course.. but that's only because it's targeted more).. as long as you do things like disable universal plug n' play, close up your NetBIOS ports, disable sharing, knock out DCOM, prevent brute force, etc etc... it's every bit of secure as Mac.

Now I've been running Linux servers for 10 yrs and love Linux. I'm a RHEL man, myself. But am yet to test the waters with a desktop linux. I just can't give up my beloved Adobe Apps, Outlook, monitor calibration, being able to plugin my camcorders, cameras, wacom tablets, using studio monitors, etc etc. I'm just a part-time developer though.

I got an old computer sitting here... maybe it's time to wipe it clean and put a copy of Ubuntu on. Time to test the waters. :lol:

Until then... you Windows-haters are :crazy:

... lol.
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seodevhead wrote:And then I always get attacked by my buddy for Window's security... saying it's really bad. I think Windows is actually a very secure environment (besides viruses of course.. but that's only because it's targeted more).. as long as you do things like disable universal plug n' play, close up your NetBIOS ports, disable sharing, knock out DCOM, prevent brute force, etc etc... it's every bit of secure as Mac.
This is the only part I will take issue with (friendly issue of course :wink: ). AN OS should not need to be made safe by the user. It should be safe period. Linux comes that way. Period. I cannot do anything to my system without the expressed interest in doing so. Windows, in it's desire to be as user friendly as possible, ships in such a way that a common user becomes admin/root user at the start. That, by its very nature, is insecure.

Would a common user be able to do the things that you mentioned in the quoted text? No. In Linux, would they need to? No.
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Everah wrote:Would a common user be able to do the things that you mentioned in the quoted text? No. In Linux, would they need to? No.
Well... I'm not too sure about that. The reason why Windows is insecure by default is because it has soo much turned on, simply because Microsoft chose to make it more compatible and user-friendly than make it more secure. They could easily disable such features as say, uPnP by default, but I guess Microsoft didn't want to confuse users trying to network devices by having to enable such added features.

Linux on the other hand, doesn't come with much. Granted, that's the biggest selling point. Windows is a big bloat of pig fat, but if Linux had 97% market penetration or whatever the statistic is, it just might as well! They would have to appeal to the wider audience. But see, Linux can't appeal to the entire population, at least not right now. And if that's their end-game, their desktop OS's have a long road to travel. My suspicions are that they don't want that kind of market dominance. They're platform is in the niche or specialty realm. That's why I hate Mac's. Some people seem to love it because it "just works" and is more simplistic without all the bloat. While my iMac has frozen up like ten times in the past year (and my PC, if my memory is correct, has never fully frozen up except for when a drive failed), it's software is absolutely horrendous imho. The OS takes more steps to do the same tasks in Windows for nearly everything. And why the hell doesn't my HOME and END buttons on my iMac work??? (really... I'm asking for help on this :) )

But anyway... I will give you that.. that Windows does need to be configured by someone "in the know" to be secure. But sometimes I just feel like Windows is giving way more of a bad rap than it deserves. I never would be saying this stuff if I had not pulled the trigger on a new mac a while back. But after learning OS X and using it a bunch.. I was more than dissapointed and classify it as the worst purchase I've ever made. Such high hopes and as it turned out, completely useless.
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seodevhead wrote: And why the hell doesn't my HOME and END buttons on my iMac work??? (really... I'm asking for help on this :) )
If you find the answer to this, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!

At the advice of other PHPDN'ers and their rave reviews on textmate, I built a hackintosh. I probably wrote about 3 lines of code when I tried for the home key and got nothing. That was enough for me. Mac OSX, great for compatibility testing my webpages, but that's about where it stops, in my book.
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seodevhead wrote: And why the hell doesn't my HOME and END buttons on my iMac work??? (really... I'm asking for help on this :) )
Yeah, the key bindings are kind of a pain in the butt. I found that out to. I know they work in Ubuntu though. ;)
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I really like Windows XP, and I feel no ways recommending it in the right situations. It was just a really decent OS, and I still use it on my desktop machine to this day.

I love Ubuntu; I run it on my Thinkpad. I haven't booted into Windows on the laptop in about a year, and I keep meaning to blow away that partition the next time I reinstall... I just haven't had to yet ;-) One of these days maybe I'll do it for kicks.

So I'm forced to wonder, what keeps me from installing Ubuntu on my desktop? I guess it's basically 2 things: Photoshop (and friends) and all the fact that I just plain don't need to. I've gotten into the habit of using my laptop for most things code and general-computing related (I can take it out on my balcony, spring++) and I ten to prefer using my desktop for things like video encoding and design work since I have a lot more desktop space (and a dark room to work in).

So it seems that I'm pretty happy running both - they both have their strengths and weaknesses. The real question I wonder about is why I don't get a Mac...and I think the keyboard bindings are a big part of it. Also, the lack of an eraser-mouse. Ans as Ubuntu gets better and better, the chances of me switching are shrinking rapidly!
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