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So I pay a third the price and get twice the speed.
Any way back to the topic: I know IE8 will have a "customizable" GUI...how customizable remains to be seen. I'm also interested in improvements in their JScript engine though I doubt it'll work with my site's new color scheme editor. It's IE9 that will catch up with the likes of Opera 7 and Gecko 1.0...I hope by adding XHTML support.
JAB Creations wrote:You guys champion jQuery as if people weren't still using dialup. Don't get me wrong I love it but even compressed it's an extra 10 seconds on a 28K modem. But that's OT...
You guys are still around? I don't think I've ever considered 56k users in my entire career, and probably won't. I guess the sites/projects I've always worked with we need to assume a relatively decent speed on the users end, but generally I won't go out of my way (cost of development time), to satisfy the 0.001% of people with using our (my company) services with dialup... at least until they make it a law
Any RAM, any video card, any processor...details details...
I have two good reasons not to use jQuery other then for extra trimmings on my site...
1.) By using it I cheat myself out of learning JavaScript.
2.) Unless you're targeting a specific clientele or are working in a corporate environment then you more then likely have a double-digit share of dial-up visitors.
Besides...load speeds can be noticeable over broadband connections too.
It'd be nice if Microsoft fixes the jQuery drag'n'drop DHTML effect for IE8 though somehow I also doubt that...
That's why I still have my old pc around. If I am testing something in IE and get so nauseous that I throw up, I do it over my cheap pc keyboard and not my precious MB
IE8 will feature a customizable GUI though how customizable remains to be seen. I'm hoping for JScript improvements.
I read somewhere that there will be no application/xhtml+xml support until they have a solid implementation of CSS. So I am realistically optimistic that we may see application/xhtml+xml support in IE9 considering they are aiming for full CSS 2.1 compliance in IE8. We might also see some usable CSS3 support (most hopefully properties) in IE9.
IE8 once finished won't be anything grand but it also will greatly (albeit not completely) ease most design headaches.
It'll set IE9 up nicely for finally catching up to Opera 9, Firefox 1.5, and Safari 3.0.
JAB Creations wrote:IE8 will feature a customizable GUI though how customizable remains to be seen. I'm hoping for JScript improvements.
And Windows 7 will clear up all the problems that Vista has, despite the fact they are rushing it out quickly as a replacement.
Microsofts development model is dying on its arse. There are people at MS who are proposing a OS X-style clean sweep, just maintaining an optional backward compatibility layer and revamping the whole thing from the ground up. IMHO this is the only way to save the windows line from exponentially increasing development times and bloat that is against all odds running faster than Moore's law. I can't see them bothering with it though, they seem to be still fairly complacent with their monopoly.
They could learn from OS X by retaining their Windows 98SE GUI with only minor adjustments and retaining that GUI layout through versions such as OS X has retain it's own...so I can agree with you on that notion.
However should should have a bit more faith in my ability to announce what Microsoft is doing. It's not like much of it is super private...you just have to know where to read.
I don't think it's that we don't believe you Jab, it's that we stopped using IE years ago and really don't give a crap if MS has just now decided to start fixing things. They are much further than a day late and dollar short. We are happy with other browsers such as Firefox and Opera and are not looking forward to a new version of IE so we can switch back.
astions wrote:I don't think it's that we don't believe you Jab, it's that we stopped using IE years ago and really don't give a crap if MS has just now decided to start fixing things. They are much further than a day late and dollar short. We are happy with other browsers such as Firefox and Opera and are not looking forward to a new version of IE so we can switch back.
You forget that "we", as the technological savvy, constitute a very small percentage of the world. "Normal" users, if you will, use whats available, which is likely IE.. so any improvements to IE I will still raise my glass to.
But yes.. I will never use IE as my default browser ever again.
jCart++
anything IE does to raise the average level of dom/css support on the web deserves an enthusiastic thumbs up.
onion++
jQuery makes cross-browser javascript painless.
@OP: you'll probably need flash or a java applet or a plug-in or something to handle bioinformatics in the browser. But that being said, it sounds like the security is being put in the wrong doorway.
I think I was a few galaxy's short of suggesting any one for any reason start using IE. All I was saying was that I follow browser news very closely and that I follow IE's news very closely. We are likely to see XHTML in IE9 though I am concerned it might be put off in favor of HTML5 which to me is a complete joke at this time until they fix some major problems. With XHTML support we'll be able to code standards compliant XHTML 1.1 with things like a ping attribute on anchors to use parts of HTML5 if we want using a standard that's already been around for how long?