Internet Exlorer is the tool of Satan

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Re: Internet Exlorer is the tool of Satan

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In IE5, it was discovered that you couldn't place a DIV on top of a popdown listbox -- the listbox bleeds through no matter what you do because the listbox uses its own window object in C++ or something like that. The Microsoft programmers acknowledged this egregious bug back in the days of IE5. So IE6 came along and it still wasn't fixed. Finally IE7 came along and they decided to fix this very common bug. But did they go back and issue a patch for IE6? No. On something so fundamentally common that web developers might experience, Microsoft took the years from IE5 to IE7 to fix it. How many years do you think that was? I'd say it was about 6 years. And yet Microsoft survives with marketshare. Yeah, I'd say that's a lumbering giant that's about to hit a wall fairly soon. 'Soooo many people considering Macs these days, especially businesses, tired of this mess.
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Re: Internet Exlorer is the tool of Satan

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The main issue is providing people with a reason to switch from IE. If they download Firefox 90% of the features they would utilize are hidden and never presented and thus why they wouldn't bother using it for very long. Most people want it to work out of the box. It does not work out of the box, simple as that.
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Re: Internet Exlorer is the tool of Satan

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We are likely to see XHTML in IE9 though I am concerned it might be put off in favor of HTML5 which to me is a complete joke at this time until they fix some major problems
What is wrong with HTML5? from what I saw it is really coming along nicely and will help us developers greatly.
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Re: Internet Exlorer is the tool of Satan

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My two primary concerns...

1.) <all_elements href="virus.exe"
Do I really need to even touch upon the "SEO" and other types of abuse? Complete disaster as far as I'm concerned.

2.) Doctype fails to declare version.
If you don't declare a version then it essentially and quietly proclaims it's the very last version of HTML ever. Great...now what if in twenty years we get HTML 6 and we need to determine for programming or validation purposes the version of HTML we're working with? I see way too many issues popping up with this.

That's why I'm pushing for XHTML (application/xhtml+xml) support in IE9. With it we can add support for useful things in HTML5 such as the ping attribute without having to deal with issues associated with the "final" version of HTML.
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Re: Internet Exlorer is the tool of Satan

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HTML5:
- native drag-and-drop API
- Formal editing API (contentEditable/designMode)
- offline storage API
- Server notifications API (comet!)
- Browser history API
- Formal support for the Canvas drawing element

Pretty useful.
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