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Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:16 pm
by alex.barylski
Why English? Why not English? If that is what you are asking?

We as a species began communicating with primitive clicks and clacks. As we began to move around, we evolved, adapted, learned new skills and thus required more extensive communications.

English is the last step in human evolution in terms of language. Many of it's words are derivitives of other languages. Consider English the superclass of language classes. ;)

English is difficult to learn (so I understand -- I was lucky enough to be born into English speaking family) because it's so extensive, elaborate and advanced, yet simple and extremely effective.

Consider this example: Software was once written in low level assembler (even machine before that). Assembly is difficult because it's so NOT human. Once you are familiar with the basics though, the trivial mnemonics are actually straight forward -- excluding system caveats.

The language is so basic, it's extremely difficult to express yourself to the best of your abilities. You could never developed an advanced web application using assembler. Sure it's technically possible but virtually not so much, you'd be lost in all that code. So people started thinking abstract and developed other langugaes like C/C++ and the rest is history.

English is like today's PHP, whereas other languages are more akin to yester-years assembly. Not saying other langugaes aren't nice they just don't do what language is supposed to do (allow us to communicate) as well as English.

Some languages are beautiful. I happen to think French or Italian sound really sexy on the right Woman. Other languages sound neat and others still sound funny.

The point is, language is a tool...just like in software development you use the right tool for the right job.

If you want to sweep a woman off her feet, you don't ask her out in Klingon. If you want to disscuss details about the biggest investment of your life or develop a spaceship to fly to the moon, you don't communicate with grunts or hisses.

English is simply the best tool for the job.

You wouldn't paint the mona lisa with a roller, would you? :P

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:18 pm
by Eran
English is the last step in human evolution in terms of language. Many of it's words are derivitives of other languages. Consider English the superclass of language classes. ;)
What you wrote is a contradiction - if English is a derivative of other languages, then it would be the last step in the inheritance chain and not the super class.
English is like today's PHP, whereas other languages are more akin to yester-years assembly.
That's a bit ignorant of you, no offense. Saying other languages are outdated / low-level as assembly is to PHP is not in any way connected to reality.

In my opinion English got popular because of the cultural spread and capital influence of the U.S.A in the second half of the 20th century, and it came to pass that it was considered the dominant international language. That's not a reflection on other languages, that's just how things happen sometimes (sort of like how PC trumps MAC despite evidence point to the latter being the better machine).

Anyway, in 20 years we'll all be speaking Chinese...

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:49 pm
by shiznatix
English is difficult to learn (so I understand -- I was lucky enough to be born into English speaking family) because it's so extensive, elaborate and advanced, yet simple and extremely effective.
I have to cry foul on this. I can speak/am learning Estonian and there are a lot of words that just don't exist in English. It is much easier to express yourself in Estonian in writing than it is in English. And for english to be difficult to learn, try learning Estonian or Russian or Chinese then talk to me about a difficult language. English is baby talk, its easy to learn and communicate with on a low level. That and, as pytrin said, the cultural/financial influence America and the UK have had has helped spread the language around the world.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:24 pm
by alex.barylski
What you wrote is a contradiction - if English is a derivative of other languages, then it would be the last step in the inheritance chain and not the super class.
Haha...honest mistake I meant subclass.
That's a bit ignorant of you, no offense. Saying other languages are outdated / low-level as assembly is to PHP is not in any way connected to reality.
I didn't mean it to be ignorant, I apologize if I offended you. Unfortunately, life is not fare and sometimes the truth hurts. Language does have evolution. My cat, can communicate but no where near as effective as I can. My Polish grand father could speak broken English but almost always resorted to speaking Polish/Ukrainian because English was likely to difficult. English is difficult because like PHP there are tons of other supporting things to learn and know, protocols, security, etc. However the basic syntax is very easy to learn as are the programming principles.

English in it's basic form is probably far easier to learn than any other language. Our alpabet is simple and obviously effective, software developers jump through hoops to support languages other than English because of the complexity with other chacrter sets.

The problems occur when people new to English have to start learning all the associated protocols like when I say where do I mean "Where, wear, ware, were, we're"?

Likewise, in verbal communication, simple emphasis using body language or inflection in my voice can also change the meaning. Then consider words like the F bomb where it can literally have countless connotations. :P
In my opinion English got popular because of the cultural spread and capital influence of the U.S.A in the second half of the 20th century, and it came to pass that it was considered the dominant international language.
England has been colonizing the globe for centuries they beat everyone in this regard -- even the USA. Go look at a map of the common wealth.

Obviously the USA being an English speaking country has had a huge impact on the spread of English as a dominent language, but that doesn't dispute the fact that English is clearly the best tool for the job when it comes to communicating.

You don't win wars using hand signals -- you only win battles. ;)
That's not a reflection on other languages, that's just how things happen sometimes (sort of like how PC trumps MAC despite evidence point to the latter being the better machine).
PC trumped Mac because they did it better not "just because". The Mac might have an edge in one way, but life it's all about checks and balances. If product A rocks in one way but product B does it better in every other way...product B will likely be the favourite because overall it's best -- at least to the majority.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:46 pm
by Eran
Unfortunately, life is not fare and sometimes the truth hurts
This is your truth friend, not a universally accepted one. By claiming that it is and comparing foreign languages to the difference in communicative ability between you and your cat you are not advancing your argument, rather just convincing me of your ignorance of other languages. I know 5 languages, and to say that English is the most evolved of them would be very far fetched.
but that doesn't dispute the fact that English is clearly the best tool for the job when it comes to communicating
As I'm sure you are probably aware, people in other countries - and even those with high English speaking population - don't communicate in English but rather in their own languages. Even when discussing technical issues such as computer software and development. Obviously, they don't agree with your point of view.

I don't see any concrete evidence in your arguments to support English is a superior languages... (if you discount the cat comparison)
To me it's like saying Ruby is better than PHP or Python is better than Java... they all do roughly the same things with semantic differences, and each has its own following who claim their choice of language is superior (by the way continuing with this line of reasoning - PHP is considered very popular but somewhat less evolved than other languages. Reflecting this to English versus other languages is implied)
PC trumped Mac because they did it better not "just because".
This is another debate, but most would agree that PC trumped MAC because of the stranglehold Microsoft has with its OS on the software market. It's a difficult choice for software developers to support MAC with its less than 4% of the market share, and most would rather just develop for Windows. Not to mention the most common Office suite by far Microsoft / Windows based, which is very crippling for other OS to be used in the commercial sector.

This a matter of being at the right place at the right time and planting a foothold that is hard to break - much like how English spread through the world.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:06 pm
by alex.barylski
I can speak/am learning Estonian and there are a lot of words that just don't exist in English.
Thats called lost in translation. ;)

Seriously though, I highly dought that. Technically speaking, the English language has over 600,000 words according to the Oxford dictionary.

It's not all about word count though. It's about the flexibility in being a tool that does a job effectively.

Consider that most European languages have a gender context. So in Polish, you refer to something as a masculine or feminine object I think depending on your own gender or whether the object is considered masculine or feminine.

That's a complexity but like a detail one might find in assembler with an instruciton like MOV:

Code: Select all

mov DEST, SRC
The instruction is primitive but easy to understand, it effectively moves data around memory but things get complex when you have to learn the various memory addressing modes (registry, memory, indirect, etc).

I would much rather have a named variable assignment, like this:

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$name = 'George';
PHP becomes complex only when the problems you solve become more complex and thus the software becomes more useful or effective as a tool.

Back to the Gender story...it's a detail...that is required but solves an outdated problem. I figure (this I don't know) that gender context exists because at one time, men and women were not seen as equals. There could be other evolutionary reasons behind that, like maybe men and women all looked the same in caveman days and to avoid picking up a man at the local bar, they used gender context to distinguish female cavemen from male cavemen. Hahaha. :P Just kidding.

Anyways, the detail is not needed and as English evolved from other European languages, that detail was dropped and focus was put on solving other issues, such as eliminating extraneous words by introducing context, such as my "Where, were, ware, we're"

Do such words exist in other languages? I'm not sure but it solves the problem of having to introduce a new word each time something crops up. The basic makeup of English and how we construct sentances, our grammar and syntax are extremely well done and clearly evolved from other languages, which technically, does it make it better for the job of communicating.

I get the feeling you both feel like I have insulted the cultural aspect of language and that is not my intent, but technically English does it best. Obviously arts and culture are undefinable, you cannot standardize them then life would be boring and innovation would seize to exist.
It is much easier to express yourself in Estonian in writing than it is in English
How is it easier? Again, it's not about word count (but I'm willing to bet that English has the largest dictionary) it's also about how those words are constructed and how flexible sentances can be when constructed.

I never used to read novels, but recently I have been, just for the simple fact that language fascinates me. I now realize how unique and different each author's writing style is. Some people are excellent communicators and others can get an idea across for the life of them.

I am willing to bet as well that same diversity doesn't exist in novels outside of English. Sure they might be different styles but not as vast as English.

Put it this way...I can probably pick out (without seeing member names) arborint, maugrim, chris, everah, feyd, onion2k, pickle, etc...all from just reading their message because each individual has such a unique approach to communicating (thanks to the flexibility English offers). Could you do the same in Estonian or any other langauge? It'd be an interesting test or challenge to qualify as to what language was indeed the winner -- technically speaking.
And for english to be difficult to learn, try learning Estonian or Russian or Chinese then talk to me about a difficult language.
No language is "easy" to learn...lets face it...even Latin is not easy and it hasn't been in common use for centuries probably.

English at a basic level I am willing to bet is easier to learn. The way in which you construct a sentance has rules but those (grammar) are flexibile enough that even a poorly constructed sentance makes sense. I've lived with and around immigrants (of every culture) my whole life this so this I do know.

The rules that dictate sentance or paragraph construction are what are technnically superior in English. It (the language) has the benefit of evolution and learning from past experiences. Silly rules were probably dropped and new ones introduced.

Again I would put money on the fact that Esontian has more senseless caveats than English -- to actually catch though you have to think really abstract or outside of the box, draw on similar analogies and most importantly put your pride aside an be willing to accept the truth.
That and, as pytrin said, the cultural/financial influence America and the UK have had has helped spread the language around the world.
I'm not denying that USA and UK helped the spread of English. But why then does it spread so well? If it flopped or there was something better, then naturally that language would eventually take its place. Will something replace English, like Chinese? I dought it, not in our life time.

Homosapiens have been around for something like 50k years...in that time we've slowly evolved. I think English was simply the last langauge to develop, inherited the best practices and such from other Indo-European languages and voila. There is little need for any new langauge to evolve (I dought Klingon will replace it very much) as English solves all the problems very well.

Perhaps when we as a species begin to colonize the moon or mars a new English dialect will surface but the basic rules or grammar will stay the same. Perhaps some might get dropped as we change our approach to communicating, like if we begin reading minds and no long need to communicate verbally.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:08 pm
by shiznatix
I see what you are trying to say but I starting to think that you don't speak anything but English. English certainly does not have the most words. Russian probably has double or more words than English. I don't have proof but for any action or object, there are about 3 ways of saying it depending on how you feel at the time and what kind of emotion you want to convey.
Back to the Gender story...it's a detail...that is required but solves an outdated problem. I figure (this I don't know) that gender context exists because at one time, men and women were not seen as equals
Women were not treated equal until very recently, long after English was spoken. Also, it is not only English that doesn't have gender for words, Estonian for example.
Anyways, the detail is not needed and as English evolved from other European languages, that detail was dropped and focus was put on solving other issues, such as eliminating extraneous words by introducing context, such as my "Where, were, ware, we're"
The majority of my language knowledge is about the Finno-Urgic group and Estonian particularly. Yes, these types of words that can be many things depending on context. 1 quick example (not the only one), his, he, she, hers = tema.
How is it easier? [to express yourself in estonian in writing] Again, it's not about word count (but I'm willing to bet that English has the largest dictionary) it's also about how those words are constructed and how flexible sentences can be when constructed.
Sentences are incredibly flexible in Estonian. You can do many things to add stress to different parts of the sentence to make sure everyone is on the same page. In English this is usually done with different voice tones and stressing a word but this is difficult to put on paper. In Estonian, its simple. I could go on with more examples but I won't bore you with an Estonian lesson.
I am willing to bet as well that same diversity doesn't exist in novels outside of English. Sure they might be different styles but not as vast as English.
Learn another language and start reading, you will find they can be just as flexible in this sense.

As for the rest about English evolving and making it superior because of this and thats why it is the number 1 most spoken language, have you heard of Esperanto? That is what I think you are mistaking English for. It failed miserably. English is so widely spoken because of culture and business. Movies and TV is how all the young people here know English so well. Schools get you so far, but when all the shows you want to watch are in English with subtitles, you pick up on the English quite quickly.

Last, as for English not having crazy rules, you only think that because it's your first language. My favorite quote on that topic, "Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to?"

I am not trying to say that any one language is better than another. They all work and do the same thing. Hollywood, a few world wars, the Brits sending people to faraway islands, American capitalism, these are the reasons so many people speak English. Not because it is superior in any way.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:54 pm
by dml
Expressiveness and variety aren't so much attributes of a language as attributes of a language community. Be it a human or a computer language, a vibrant and varied language community creates a vibrant and varied language. Nobody really knows what a language is capable of until somebody tries to use it for a given purpose, but once somebody does use the language for that purpose, their solution is usable by the whole community, human languages being fairly open source. For example during the Reformation there was a lot of doubt about whether English had the gravitas to supersede Latin as a religious language. Then some very clever people with some very powerful backers wrote the King James Bible, which gave English speakers such a convincing vocabulary and tone for putting across religious messages that some of them now believe that God himself spoke English. People have used English to conduct religious services, put men on the moon, and do streetcorner drug deals, so we have access to their vocabulary and tone when we want to do similar things ourselves.

I don't know many programmers who use nothing but their own inborn creativity and the inherent expressiveness of their language to solve problems. Most programmers look for somebody else's solution to the problem and adapt it for their own use. So a language that has more solutions to imitate is going to seem more expressive than a language that throws you back on your own resources to get anything done. Haskell is a very powerful language, but writing a mailform in Haskell is likely to take a lot longer than writing one in PHP: you might have to implement a lot of things yourself, just as the writers of the King James Bible had to invent English equivalents for Greek and Hebrew words. But if your Haskell mailform becomes successful, everyone will be able to write mailforms in Haskell very quickly, it'll seem as if it was always possible, and people will put PHP and Haskell mailforms side by side to make a point about how inherently expressive Haskell is compared to PHP, and how much easier Haskell makes the job of the programmer.

Hockey, have you read Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess, or Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban? You might find them interesting: they're novels that are written in invented future dialects of English.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:49 am
by omniuni
First, I live in the US. I was born here. I love my country.

I also get annoyed with what some of us have done to the language. I'm not going to say I'm innocent of using some expressions, but whenever I talk to someone who uses proper English, I respond in kind.

It is an unfortunate truth that modern day Americans sometimes speak with an incredible amount of slang. It is wrong for us to think that just because this is usual for us, we should expect the rest of the world to know the strange idiosyncrasies of our rhetoric.

I will also be the first to admit that there are, while many languages worse than English, many languages that are also better. I learned how to read Hebrew for my Bar Mitzvah. I asked, at one point, what a word meant. I was instead told the word for "book" and told to guess. After examining the word for a moment, I noticed that it actually contained the word for book, and a plural ending, though it was clearly not simply the plural of "book". So I made a guess at "Library". I was right.

English, if you were to compare to a programming language, would be some form of PHP where the parser didn't care how you defined your loops, where various functions had random aliases, and you might just run the same script 10 times and get several different results.

I do think that it is important, at this stage, for everyone to be familiar with English. Honestly, that includes Americans. We have simply GOT to learn the grammar so that we can speak our own language correctly.

-OmniUni

P.S. Hm. And I was aiming for a short post, too.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:33 am
by Christopher
First, I don't think it is appropriate to consider one language superior to any other language. Languages are not purely communication tools but also part of cultures and if we start down that path we will only offend and thereby hinder communication. I agree with pytrin and shiznatix that the topic is complex and multi-faceted -- we should treat it as such.

English is interesting because it has gone from being "owned" by the British, to being shared by the British, Americans, Canadians, and Australians, and now belongs to many many speakers around the world. It will be interesting to see the evolution of the language as changes, from India or China for example, work their way back to traditional English speakers. I think we will all be the richer linguistically for it. I understand that English is currently around 1 million words.

I think the OP was actually spamming these forums to promote his translation services (several other variant posts were removed). Unfortunately, the OP does not do a very good job promoting this services because there are a number of problems in the examples given. No US English speaker would say either “I reckon you are all wet to eating away at me.” or “You're burning daylight …it’s armpit to talk with you.”. Those sentences are nonsense. Nor can I exactly understand the Indian English sentence “Recently I called on you for our new policies it is very much valued for you.”. What exactly is "it" in that sentence?

I should also note that the author does not seem to understand the difference between idiom and slang. Idiom are phrases that do not mean what they literally say, but are generally understood by all speakers in a language. For example, "eating away at me" is a common idiom. Slang, on the other hand (that's an idiom), is only understood my a specific group of speakers. But there is obviously overlap between the two as phrases become popular or fall out of use. An example would be "burning daylight" which is not very popular today and has gone through many phases. It is a an older English term, but was the title of a Jack London novel, and was later used in Hollywood cinematographers.

Add to this jargon, which are words that are specific to a profession. For example, the word "patterns" means something specific to programmers, but means something specifically different to tailors.

The OP does make a good point the limiting the use of idiom and slang makes sense when communicating in English with someone from a different country. Certainly British, American, Canadian and Australian speakers have always done this.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:05 pm
by omniuni
Hmm. Thanks arborint.

First, when I was saying "better" and "worse" I meant only in terms of efficiency, which is quantifiable by how long it takes to say things, and how many ways they can be interpreted. I'll edit my post to specify as such.

Second, I had not quite considered your observation about spam, I merely passed off the included conversation as another poor translation, perhaps some sort of eMail that was going around. Honestly, I've never had much trouble being understood by, nor understanding, people in other countries. As I stated, I sometimes have more trouble understanding my own peers who use a lot of slang, or idioms that I've not heard of, although that is much more rare.

Also, I'm guessing OP means "thread starter", or something along those lines... what does it mean exactly?

Thanks,
OmniUni

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:13 pm
by EverLearning
OP = Original Poster?

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:56 pm
by alex.barylski
pytrin: You made some excellent arguments certainly made me re-consider my statements.

There are times when a superior product is outshined by a lesser product, such as BetaMax and VHS -- although I am not really convinced BetaMax was superior, as my VHS always served me fine but the Beta actually broke.

I was short sighted when I made the statement that English is gender free...it's not...words like mailman, policeman, etc are still very common today.

I was not trying to sound ignorant when I said English was superior...superior was a bad choice of words...however I still believe that it is likely the most evolved of all languages, what that means exactly is difficult to define.

English does inherit a lot of everything from many langauges and is the international langauge...so whether the language itself is better or not...was not really my point (although I admit it came out that way - and I humbly apologize to anyone who I offended). My point was, that if you subscribe to Darwinism then you agree that English is likely the last language to have been introduced/developed by humans.
I am not trying to say that any one language is better than another. They all work and do the same thing. Hollywood, a few world wars, the Brits sending people to faraway islands, American capitalism, these are the reasons so many people speak English. Not because it is superior in any way.
I guess in my books when something wins -- that does make it better... :P
Hockey, have you read Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess, or Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban? You might find them interesting: they're novels that are written in invented future dialects of English.
I have read Clockwork Orange yes but not the latter.
arborint wrote:First, I don't think it is appropriate to consider one language superior to any other language. Languages are not purely communication tools but also part of cultures and if we start down that path we will only offend and thereby hinder communication.
Nicely said...couldn't agree more....but that is why I tried to stress that culturally no language was better...it is/was just in my opinion (with the *very* limited experienced I have studying German or French -- which is not a lot) that English seemed more polished. Of course, I am in no way an authority on the subject as I don't speak anything BUT English I am only familiar with the very basics of French and even less of German.
I agree with pytrin and shiznatix that the topic is complex and multi-faceted -- we should treat it as such.
I agree again...I should have worded my sentances more carefully...how ironic is that? The very language I am promoting as a clear communications tool also let me shoot myself in the foot. :P
I should also note that the author does not seem to understand the difference between idiom and slang. Idiom are phrases that do not mean what they literally say, but are generally understood by all speakers in a language. For example, "eating away at me" is a common idiom. Slang, on the other hand (that's an idiom), is only understood my a specific group of speakers. But there is obviously overlap between the two as phrases become popular or fall out of use. An example would be "burning daylight" which is not very popular today and has gone through many phases. It is a an older English term, but was the title of a Jack London novel, and was later used in Hollywood cinematographers.


That was interesting...so idioms are properly constructed sentances but are not what they seem and slang is improperly constructed sentances with bad spelling? Haha.

In being serious though...when Aussies or Brits use terms like "shooting the <span style='color:blue' title='I'm naughty, are you naughty?'>smurf</span>" or whatever it is...that is an idiom but gangster speak with phrases like: "Sup foo...i'z gonna whack you with dat gat...bah" is slang...but they both are usually only understood by a limited group of English speakers?
Add to this jargon, which are words that are specific to a profession. For example, the word "patterns" means something specific to programmers, but means something specifically different to tailors.
That was actually a point I wanted to make...when I said English has an extensive dictionary...I"m not sure if that includes considering the fact that words like "patterns" have multiple meanings or are they counted as just one? What about compound words?

WEB and SITE are two different words but can be joined as one and considered a complete word. This flexibility makes constructing new words in English virtually unlimited. I am sure most modern day languages support such constructions but to the same degree as English I wish I actually could find out. Seeing as most technologies and advancements are made in the English world how do people living in Estonia translate a new word like "computer" into their native tongue?

Do they invent new words or just borrow the English pronounciation? I have always had several friends who were fluent in English and their native tongue (Polish, Filipino, Chinese, Spanish, Italian, etc, etc). Many times growing up I would hear them tell their parents about "Nintendo" which didn't sound like a translation. I once asked a friend why he said that to which he replied: "Because trying to explain it in is difficult I have to describe it as an electrical box". I guess that is why I thought English was more expressive as I've heard conversations like the above countless times in my life where they would be forced into using the English word and pronounciation occasionally during conversation.

Anyways guys (or girls -- if any actually exist). I really meant no harm or to offend anyone...no harm intended...just looking for interesting disscussion. In all honesty I usually get the best replies when I tug at someone's heart strings or offend them...so maybe I'm doing that on purpose somewhere in the back of my mind.

I'm absolutely fascinated with linguistics so I really appreciate you all sharing your thoughts with me and offering alternative perspectives to my own...best way to learn IMHO -- although it's a hard pill to swallow at times.

Cheers :)

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:37 pm
by Eran
Hey Hockey, no offense taken :)
This is a friendly debate, however where others have backed their opinions with fact and knowledge, you have only intuition to go on. This is why I referred to you as ignorant on the subject - I hope you haven't taken it as an insult.
WEB and SITE are two different words but can be joined as one and considered a complete word. This flexibility makes constructing new words in English virtually unlimited. I am sure most modern day languages support such constructions but to the same degree as English I wish I actually could find out.
Of course other languages allow such constructs to be formed. There is no difference from English in this respect.
Seeing as most technologies and advancements are made in the English world how do people living in Estonia translate a new word like "computer" into their native tongue?
First of all, most technologies aren't made in English speaking countries. The U.S was actually ranked seventh in the world last year, with the top 6 all non-English speaking countries. Read here for some more details - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6502725.stm

Second, every developed nation has a linguistics committee that is usually a collabration between the top educational institutes, and that committee is responsible for constantly updating the language with new or modified words and pronunciations. Most words are accepted into the language after being introduced naturally (a scientific breakthrough and a cultural phenomena are two good examples), while others are created to fill in voids where the language is insufficient.

Re: Is English needed for PHP programmers??

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:15 pm
by alex.barylski
In all fareness, I think the American Economy has helped stifled innovation...give a few years they'll probably bounce back. ;)