Mid-2008 - What have you learned, what do you still plan to?

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Re: Mid-2008 - What have you learned, what do you still plan to?

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JAB Creations wrote:Knowing jQuery without knowing JavaScript? That's sort of like knowing how to make the car physically move by using a key and a gas pedal without knowing what those mysterious green yellow and red lights are about. Too many people treat jQuery as if it's acceptable to blindly use it. Sure learning anything can be painful but an investment in knowledge pays off greatly in interest.
That is a great analogy. It is like being able to drive a car without being able to build a car from scratch. ;)
JAB Creations wrote:Keep in mind even compressed jQuery will take about a dozen seconds to download on dialup (56K actually maxes out at about 4.7KB which is effectively just over 36K) and that especially here in America there is a significant percentage of people still using dialup (think IE6 numbers).
jQuery is 16-30Kb ??? A 2008 Pew Research study found that 55 percent of American adults now have broadband access at home while only 10 percent of Americans now have dial-up access. That's only 15% of users and does not count Internet access at work which would probably take the percentage of actual users visiting your site via dialup at under 5%.
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Re: Mid-2008 - What have you learned, what do you still plan to?

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It is like being able to drive a car without being able to build a car from scratch.
Now that is a good analogy! ;)
Keep in mind even compressed jQuery will take about a dozen seconds to download on dialup
Considering how most sites now top 200kb easily (and some are way up there) this is a mute point. For anything beyond simple Javascript, not using a framework will severely hamper development due to cross-browser issues and having to reinvent the wheel on every turn.
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JAB Creations wrote:Knowing jQuery without knowing JavaScript?
Who said that? I didn't say that, if you check back at what I wrote.
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JAB Creations wrote:Keep in mind even compressed jQuery will take about a dozen seconds to download on dialup (56K actually maxes out at about 4.7KB which is effectively just over 36K) and that especially here in America there is a significant percentage of people still using dialup (think IE6 numbers).
Not being able to handle a 54K jQuery minified download when loading a web page is pretty pathetic. Heck, that's like one banner image. Besides, once this is downloaded per site, it is cached and not redownloaded again with each page on that site.
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