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im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:13 pm
by silverglade
im actually thinking about quitting php and just doing web page design without any programming because i cant translate what i learn from the books into projects i can do. does anyone know how i can start doing projects for newbies i dont know how to start, or what projects to do, i only have done an email form and a calculator. please any help appreciated greatly. thanks derek
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:26 pm
by matthijs
My suggestion would be to pick a few projects for yourself and start with those. Say a basic website for yourself, made in PHP/mysql in backend and HTML/CSS on the front end. Then make a basic comments-board. Maybe a gallery script for your photo's. A contacts manager to keep track of your contacts. Etc etc. Enough ideas. Start very basic.
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:17 pm
by silverglade
are there any resources on the net that can walk me through the steps to create these things? please derek
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:46 pm
by matthijs
Yes there are. Google or another search engine should give you plenty of results
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:59 pm
by RobertGonzalez
If you have no need for PHP then don't take the time to learn it. If you have a need then use that need as your driving element to inspire you to learn.
I learned from this community, open source apps and trial and error. You can do the same things. But only if you want to.
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:30 pm
by Christopher
silverglade wrote:are there any resources on the net that can walk me through the steps to create these things? please derek
What are 'these things?" Programming is a fairly large subject. For example, you probably would not ask "How do I build a house?" in a forum unless you were looking for very general replies. If you asked, "How do I build foundation forms?" then you could get some specific replies. There are some general construction techniques used when building foundation forms, but you would need to build the floor framing before you could really start to see some of the common techniques for yourself.
So do you have a specific problem to solve? Would you like critique on the code you have already done? You can read about them, but until you actually have to code them they will not be real to you. Programming is a craft in that way.
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:45 pm
by alex.barylski
If your designing web sites...and you requirement is something dynamic on the server side -- use PHP. If all you do is XHTML/CSS then don't learn PHP.
As a web designer some basic PHP skills will come in handy when installing applications for your clients. You won't likely be able to hack the source much (without months of investment) but you can certainly do superficial changes like text, etc...
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:38 pm
by flying_circus
Hockey wrote:As a web designer some basic PHP skills will come in handy when installing applications for your clients. You won't likely be able to hack the source much (without months of investment) but you can certainly do superficial changes like text, etc...
This is what I've found as well.
In my opinion the greater population of web "workers' can be summed up as:
1. I can code but cant design for the life of me!
2. I can design but cant code for the life of me!
Pick 1 and strive to be as good as you can, then partner with your polar opposite. I know plenty of people who are mediocre at both or really good at one or the other. Though I've never met anyone who was stellar at both.
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:43 pm
by califdon
flying_circus wrote: I know plenty of people who are mediocre at both or really good at one or the other. Though I've never met anyone who was stellar at both.
Allow me to introduce myself!
[just kidding, of course!]
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:51 pm
by The_Anomaly
If you really have to learn PHP--or if you really want to learn php--you must pick up a project and just figure it out. I'm on the noobier side of the phpdn spectrum, but really, a book can only teach so much. Once I started working on a project, I learned an enormous amount. The power of google to help with coding is astounding--and the PHP Manual is also a lifesaver.
So, if you want to learn it, plan a project, and just start coding away. When you can't figure something out, put your google-fu to good use, and figure it out. IME, that's the only way you'll learn anything.
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:02 pm
by omniuni
http://tutorials.alsacreations.com/frames/
Above is a great tutorial on simulating frames with CSS, but what's great is that is uses some simple PHP to make the site dynamic. This is the way I got started with PHP, without even knowing exactly what I was supposed to be DOING with it.
http://tizag.com is also a great source for tutorials.
Start with using flat-files, then move into databases. As you further grasp the concepts of PHP, you'll get more comfortable, and before long, you'll love it.
Good Luck,
OmniUni
Re: im thinking about quitting php please help
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:20 pm
by prowebpro
Don't give up.
I would recommeded a book
8 Pratical Application from Nesus
I Can't Remember.
Just Search it in google
Don't Worry just enjoy Coding.
If You Expert enough in one Languange it's not difficult to Move to Another Language
In Windows
Prefered Delphi,.Net Technology
In Linux
Prefered Php
Both I do love PHP