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Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:49 pm
by infolock
Man, I've used Zend Studio for years, and always suggested it to anyone (or any company for that matter) I've ever worked with or for, but their new Zend Eclipse crap SUCKS.
It crashes when you copy and paste from file to file
It crashes when you chance the preferences and then go back to the IDE
It crashes when you try to close a file or save a file
It crashes when you use auto-complete tags or get ahead of the autocompleter when typing
The directory and file manager SUCKS now
The Project Manager SUCKS now
You can't create a new file without using the built-in project manager, which STILL doesn't even let you use directories but some stupid modular .settings directory!
It's like they took the Java Eclipse IDE and said HEY! LET'S COPY THAT !! AS IF the Java IDE was even freaking GOOD to begin with. The Java IDE is one of the ugliest and useless IDE's on the planet, and Zend decides to copy off of it????
HOLY CRAP!! If you can't tell, yes, I'm a bit tweaked off...I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm not sure I will use the Zend IDE until they freaking change the direction they are going with it.
With that said, Komodo is one of the closest IDE's that is even close to Zend. I hate VI, I hate Emacs, I don't like PHPEditor, and I don't like notepad/wordpad. This is really a disappointing time for me
/rant off
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:23 pm
by Christopher
Well ... editors are pretty personal things for many. So when they change it tends to annoy. I use the PDT version of Eclipse (and am happy with it), but don't know the Zend Studio version. Have the cancelled the stand-alone version of Zend Studio? Do most Zend Studio users agree with infolock, or do half like the changes and half hate them?
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:53 pm
by infolock
They have the older versions available still, but the standalone Zend is, as of now, not a production application and has been replaced by the Zend Eclipse version =\
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:14 pm
by alex.barylski
I like UltraEdit myself...I've used it for years.
It's the only editor I know that does source folding "right" and it's column selection is quite handy. Built in FTP and powerful colorizing.
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:19 pm
by josh
phpED does everything zend studio did and more, and has a better interface in my opinion, built in database, SOAP, and ssh tools, built in debugging, etc...
I also didn't remember if zend let me float windows across multiple monitors but phpED is really flexible in that regard and hasn't crashed on me or hung up like zend did
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:44 pm
by jmut
@infolock
I can only confirm that ZS requires much more resources than before. That said...it's quite slow and if you don't have fast PC or give it some time now and then yes it crashes. Well there is actual editor topic but I will still say this - I switched ZS for vim and I am not going back. Btw quite a big difference between vim and vi as far as I know. I cannot think of a single thing that vim cannot do twice as fast/flexible and all. Sure you have to invest some time upfront. I was wondering myself how much time I need to get at least as productive on vim as I was with ZS. Well, two weeks, full day work. Again, not going back, fast and above all flexible.
As for the Java Eclipse IDE - it totally rulz. And acutally the ultimate refactoring it provides is the only reason I develop Java on Eclipse and not vim. Alas, php cannot ever have such as it's not strong type language.
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:45 pm
by Eran
I'm still using the old 5.5 studio for the reasons you mentioned. No need to upgrade until they make the eclipse stable / usable.
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:42 am
by infolock
jmut wrote:@infolock
I can only confirm that ZS requires much more resources than before. That said...it's quite slow and if you don't have fast PC or give it some time now and then yes it crashes.
I have a Core 2 Quad (2.6ghz), 8gb ram, 1 terabyte hd atm, so I know it's not my machine.
pytrin wrote:I'm still using the old 5.5 studio for the reasons you mentioned. No need to upgrade until they make the eclipse stable / usable.
Good man. According to what I read, they are saying that 6.1
is stable, but it's not...not at all. I would definately stick with 5.5 for now. I've emailed their support team about all of these issues, but we'll see...
@Hokey and jshpro2: Thanks a lot for your suggestions, I'll try both of those out tonight.
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:13 pm
by DrTom
yeah, the new Zend Studio is really prone to crashes. I've noticed that they very rarely happen when running it
on a windows environment, but on my linux workstation, it's at least twice daily that it will lock up or flat out crash.
Re: Zend Studio - WHAT HAPPENED???
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:56 am
by mcuenca
Yes, it's sad. I am also frustrated about the downturn from 5.5 to 6. Last week I installed ZS 6.1 to give it the fourth opportunity but I gave up again after one week and switched back to 5.5
The last issue was with a remote project: I started to work in my remote project, I left my laptop hibernating and when it woke up on the next day I didn't want to work in the project anymore and it was impossible to close ZS 6.1 because the connection window appeared over and over again asking for my password for the FTP server. The windows has a "cancel" button, but it should say "do nothing" instead.
I know many folks that used Eclipse PDT from years before and they love it. But I am sure that's because they didn't know Zend Studio 5. It's the simplest, most productive PHP IDE I've used before.
Eclipse may have a bunch of new stuff, but it is slow, overwhelming and not productive, at least for me!