Which Browser Would You Use If It Had Firebug?

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Which browser would you use if it had firebug?

Firefox
15
54%
Safari
3
11%
Chrome
5
18%
Opera
3
11%
IE
1
4%
Other (specify)
1
4%
 
Total votes: 28

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Syntac
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Re: Which Browser Would You Use If It Had Firebug?

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JAB: You know, I never even noticed any of the things on that list of bugs until just now. Thank you so very much. :evil:
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Eran
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Re: Which Browser Would You Use If It Had Firebug?

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Some of the bugs JAB posted are REALLY old and apply to the 2.+ branch (some even to the 1.+ branch). Personally I never encountered any of those.

I'm pretty the bug-list for IE is 10 times as large, even without the benefit of community contributions that Firefox has.
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omniuni
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Re: Which Browser Would You Use If It Had Firebug?

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I agree with pytrin.

Also, some of the bugs, like with Flash, are simply due to poor plugins. IE uses activeX controls for things like flash, so the FlashPlayer actually becomes a part of IE. This is a major security risk, but it does mean that signals sent to FLASH are also sent to IE. In Firefox, the plugin is a program that runs in a box in the browser. When it is active, signals and key presses are sent to IT and NOT to FIREFOX. This improves security, but it does mean that you have to click on the page before you, say, ctrl+tab to switch tabs.
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Re: Which Browser Would You Use If It Had Firebug?

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I have Firebug installed though never use it. I haven't seen any reason it'd be useful in addition to the Web Developer toolbar. I use Firefox's error console first and foremost and when I encounter something that leaves me scratching my head I load it up in Opera because it's error console is more detailed about specific errors.
Are you kidding dude? Have you ever used it? You can literally point at anything on the page and find out everything there is to know about that element (css properties including inheritance and final computed property values, box model layout, DOM information, its point in the html hierarchy), you can add css properties on the fly to anything, along with html attributes. You can edit the HTML in place, you can hover over something in the html in firebug and see exactly what its padding and margin is in the browser window. I don't see how you can even compare this to the "web developer toolbar". I use both because, like has been stated, they do different things. Maybe you should give it another look?

Also, this is something I've been curious about. You're site... is it intended to be highly usable? To me its just got too much stuff in the way to be considered usable. For instance, when I go to the site, I am presented with a bunch of flags, none of which are my country's flag. After a minute or two I finally notice that there is a UK/US combo-flag above the other flags, so I click it and nothing happens. Then I look around a bit more and see that I have to select from dial-up or broadband, music or no music. This entire page is a usability nightmare.

Then, once I get to your site I am presented with an information overload. The home page is very overwhelming. When I go to the site, my first question is "What is this?" and if I'm not presented with a very clear answer within a few seconds, I'm typically GONE.

Then there are things like the "click the header to make the div minimize". What is this for? Why is this necessary? Who would need this feature? When you implement features, you should ask yourself, "Is there an actual need for this, or is it just 'neat'?".

If this site is simply a way for you to learn and you don't intend for the public to use it, then none of this matters, otherwise you should work on making useful features usable and eliminating features that are useless. I think that's the next step in the evolution of your learning :) Users don't care about what javascipt engine you're using and they definitely don't want to have to think... don't make them think.
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Eran
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Re: Which Browser Would You Use If It Had Firebug?

Post by Eran »

firebug is definitely the most useful tool ever for a web developer.
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Re: Which Browser Would You Use If It Had Firebug?

Post by JAB Creations »

Sorry Syntac, but bugs don't get fixed unless they get the attention they deserve. pytrin is right though, IE probably has ten times the bugs. IE also doesn't support native SVG, XHTML, anything remotely useful in CSS3 (properties or selectors), etc.

IE's ability to correctly handle keyboard shortcuts are tied to a security risk? Oh come on what a cheap work around. :| omniuni noticed what I hate about YouTube (Since I have to recharge my mouse) but I pretty much never recharge my mouse/eat when at YouTube.

@The Ninja Space Goat See that is the sort of post that draws my attention to something. :mrgreen: I actually do mess with it on occasion like I did yesterday but I'm the type (as you may have noticed) that doesn't use something until I actually comprehend a use for it. Like for example I just noticed the ability to remove CSS properties on the fly which will be really great when I get back around to concentrating on minimizing my site's CSS. The HTML tab would be very useful to see what parts of a page are what (more so for dealing with other people's work and maybe for blacking ads).

*Edited for typo; sue was supposed to be use and thus it got past Firefox's spellchecker. >__>
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