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Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:02 am
by MicroBoy
What do you think which is the best method for php design and the easiest, Css etc..? Or is there any software that helps for design.

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:46 am
by deejay
I don't think you're post is that clear. When you say 'PHP design' are you talking about Framework design, in which case MVC seems to be the way forward that most programmers try to adhere to. You mention css which I believe is more to do with 'web design' and not specifically php, I'm no expert on this though.

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:34 pm
by MicroBoy
I think like FrontPage can help us to work with .html, with frontpage we can easilly design the webpage, because we can see it. Or if isn't any software to do that, than is there any way to do that easily.

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:14 pm
by deejay
Ok I get it now your talking about the design of the website itself.

I expect it all depends on personal taste, depending on what language your making your templates in - if youre using a MVC or similar framework that is. dreamweaver for me, have never liked front page.

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:57 am
by JAB Creations
MicroBoy...whoa. Ok granted I started learning web design with Frontpage 98 but that was a decade ago! Find a text editor and learn to ALT+TAB and F5 between your editor and browser. Besides if you're using Frontpage you're very likely to fall in the dreaded IE renders correctly it but everything else renders the page incorrectly notion...and that's not even PHP!

Another clarification: PHP is web DEVELOPMENT; it's not design. Now there are various ways to approach how you design but I'll leave that to the big guns on the board.

You need to also get your references down so people will understand what exactly you're talking about...

Web Design = Client Side = XHTML, CSS, JavaScript

Web Development = Server Side = Apache, PHP, MySQL

In example if you were asking about XHTML and CSS for a web design question you'd need to use the following references...

XHTML
<element attribute="value" />

CSS
selector
{
property: value;
}

If you don't correctly reference things then you won't know how to ask your questions effectively. Once you know how to ask your question effectively then it'll be easier to answer your questions.

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:31 pm
by mikes1471
lol agreed, I remember when I started off using Frontpage but like you say it was 10years ago maybe more. Fact is, it made web design (i use that term loosely) sooo simple, so simple that Dreamweaver looked quite complicated but as soon as I made the transition, wow I'm glad I did, I've never looked back.
These days I barely use a web design program at all, code it all by hand using Komodo edit 5 because aswell as giving the simplicity of notepad it gives predictive php which for someone learning php (like me) is invaluable but I digress.
In my opinion CSS is a great way to design webpages, if used in a masterpage you can theme an entire site with one .css document, admittedly I still use tables too but purely for page structure which I think is more formal than web 'design'.

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:23 am
by techtest
My vote goes to Frontpage

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:57 am
by Benjamin
techtest wrote:My vote goes to Frontpage
What are your reasons?

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:14 am
by Bill H
What are your reasons?
You do notice this is the first post?

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:28 pm
by greyhoundcode
I did the trial of Expression Web - which I believe is the modern and current incarnation of Frontpage - and was very impressed. I think that, especially for those developing for .Net, Expression Web is first class.

Re: Which method is best for php design?

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:04 am
by deejay
if you're working in CSS - although it won't write css for you - it's excellent for helping view pages and then you can do all your changes quite happily in notepad is firebug on FF or Developer Toolbar' on IE . edit, debug, and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript . you can make changes in it then copy them over to your pages.


BTW - front page sucks compared to dreamweaver IMHO - although haven't touched it for 8 odd years either.