Pirate Bay Found Guilty
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Pirate Bay Found Guilty
A court in Sweden has handed down its verdict on four men behind The Pirate Bay (TPB), the world's biggest file-sharing website.
Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde were found guilty of breaking copyright law and were sentenced to a year in jail.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8003799.stm
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This will have some repercussions.
Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde were found guilty of breaking copyright law and were sentenced to a year in jail.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8003799.stm
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This will have some repercussions.
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Ye saw yesterday in the paper. the sites still up though. i take it there taking it down or.... just sueing the ppl that run it. would of thought they would of taken it down
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Pirate Bay Judge is member of Copyright Association
http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4675
...gee, what a fair and balanced judicial system eh?
http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4675
...gee, what a fair and balanced judicial system eh?
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Suppose it raises some questions, but if a judge was a member of a panel on road safety would that necessarily make him ineligible to sit on cases concerning traffic offences?JAB Creations wrote:...gee, what a fair and balanced judicial system eh?
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I'm not sure that's a good analogy.greyhoundcode wrote:Suppose it raises some questions, but if a judge was a member of a panel on road safety would that necessarily make him ineligible to sit on cases concerning traffic offences?JAB Creations wrote:...gee, what a fair and balanced judicial system eh?
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I can't agree with that analogy either.
From everything that I've read it seems that these content czars are loosing more money then they're making with their poorly thought out approaches. Then again the content is almost always questionable if you take a truly critical look at it (though I won't go further then that because it's politics) and they want to bleed people for what amounts to materialism.
Everything is going digital and it's all about digital storage, not tangle storage. It's a whole heck of a lot easier to manage a few hundred movies/shows on a hard drive each as an individual file then dealing with an entire case per movie or audio CD. Plus bandwidth is cheaper...and why deal with the costs of physical distribution? The movie and music industry just doesn't comprehend these things because they are so full of arrogance that it'll take years for them to realize what they should be doing. Steam is an awesome example of digital distribution.
From everything that I've read it seems that these content czars are loosing more money then they're making with their poorly thought out approaches. Then again the content is almost always questionable if you take a truly critical look at it (though I won't go further then that because it's politics) and they want to bleed people for what amounts to materialism.
Everything is going digital and it's all about digital storage, not tangle storage. It's a whole heck of a lot easier to manage a few hundred movies/shows on a hard drive each as an individual file then dealing with an entire case per movie or audio CD. Plus bandwidth is cheaper...and why deal with the costs of physical distribution? The movie and music industry just doesn't comprehend these things because they are so full of arrogance that it'll take years for them to realize what they should be doing. Steam is an awesome example of digital distribution.
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not that i especially like movie and music prices of the industry, but to say they are arrogant it perhaps a little too far, they are the ones who make mpeg, jpeg. it's not arrogance, it's someting else. the publishing industry is perhaps a better reflection of the same thing, with the photocopier emergence.JAB Creations wrote:Everything is going digital and it's all about digital storage, not tangle storage. It's a whole heck of a lot easier to manage a few hundred movies/shows on a hard drive each as an individual file then dealing with an entire case per movie or audio CD. Plus bandwidth is cheaper...and why deal with the costs of physical distribution? The movie and music industry just doesn't comprehend these things because they are so full of arrogance .
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Pirate Bay is appealing the verdict.
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I don't believe TPB will actually go down. They'll win eventually, and the current verdict is gonna be nullified.
And righteously so, I think, cause there isn't really a clearly specified crime they committed or law they broke. Obviously there's "something" wrong with their business (in the end, they do earn their money from other people's work without paying or approval), but the current laws are simply inappropriate.
By the way I don't like TPB's attitude of not removing any copyrighted content, even if you request so in a friendly, clear, and reasonable way, and explicitly specifying the exact torrents involved (as opposed to "remove ALL microsoft content NOW or we'll sue you!!").
And righteously so, I think, cause there isn't really a clearly specified crime they committed or law they broke. Obviously there's "something" wrong with their business (in the end, they do earn their money from other people's work without paying or approval), but the current laws are simply inappropriate.
By the way I don't like TPB's attitude of not removing any copyrighted content, even if you request so in a friendly, clear, and reasonable way, and explicitly specifying the exact torrents involved (as opposed to "remove ALL microsoft content NOW or we'll sue you!!").
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I totally agree Apollo.
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Whenever I think of this case, I just can't understand why TPB would go down for it when Google does exactly the same thing.
In fact, Google probably breaks more laws. I haven't tried, but what happens if you try to access child pornography using Google Images (SafeSearch off)?
In fact, Google probably breaks more laws. I haven't tried, but what happens if you try to access child pornography using Google Images (SafeSearch off)?
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I read something about it being the fact that TPB's business generally revolves around the sharing of illegal files; ie: the vast majority of what is transferred.
Seems like a grey area to me which is why I think it'll be overturned.
Seems like a grey area to me which is why I think it'll be overturned.
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The only thing that is transferred from the TPB to it's users is meta data. To me it's like showing someone how to break into a shop.Paul Arnold wrote:TPB's business generally revolves around the sharing of illegal files; ie: the vast majority of what is transferred.
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Well, morally and ethically I think it would be "right" if TPB would get prosecuted and their site shut down. But it's certainly NOT right in the sense of existing laws and current jurisdiction, and that's what judges should base their verdict on, exclusively.jayshields wrote:The only thing that is transferred from the TPB to it's users is meta data. To me it's like showing someone how to break into a shop.Paul Arnold wrote:TPB's business generally revolves around the sharing of illegal files; ie: the vast majority of what is transferred.
A company selling burglar kits, making lotsa money on burglaries (although they're not the ones that actually come through your back door with a crowbar) is also ethically and morally "wrong". Just like TPB.
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There is no law preventing someone from teaching how to BNE... and I think thats the whole basis of this case, theoretically.jayshields wrote:The only thing that is transferred from the TPB to it's users is meta data. To me it's like showing someone how to break into a shop.Paul Arnold wrote:TPB's business generally revolves around the sharing of illegal files; ie: the vast majority of what is transferred.