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New section: PHP Frameworks
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:51 pm
by josh
What is "PHP Theory & Design"? Do we even have a deterministic definition of that section? Can we have a frameworks section? I propose we create this section. Maybe w/ sub forums for specific frameworks (Zend, code ignitor, cake) the "big 3"? Users could choose to post in the "PHP frameworks" forum or any of the specific children ("PHP Frameworks -> Cake","PHP Frameworks -> Zend Framework", etc..)
Re: New section: PHP Frameworks
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:34 pm
by Christopher
We have discussed this in the past. If we did something like this, starting with just a "Frameworks" forum would probably be simplest. The specific framework could be noted in the thread title. Then see where it goes from there.
Re: New section: PHP Frameworks
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:18 am
by josh
Trying to play devil's advocate - if we make it too broad or non descriptive, people will be posting in there about how their CMS is the hottest new "framework". Allowing the sub forums for specific frameworks lets me view threads about the ones I care about, while the more general 'frameworks' section has more propensity for crufty threads.
Re: New section: PHP Frameworks
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:57 am
by alex.barylski
I second a framework forum.
If and when I ever get mine to point where I feel comfortable posting I would probably submit my own design questions in the forum, which I suspect others would and could as well, so being tied to a specific framework, is limiting in that way. I think keeping it generic works good for now.
Does phpBB have a tagging feature so at least you could filter threads based on what framework they apply too?
Cheers,
Alex
Re: New section: PHP Frameworks
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:14 pm
by josh
I picture it being more for "is there a way to do this in in such and such framework" type of questions, and less "here is my home-brewed framework" type of posts (theory & design is best for asking design questions, this new framework question would be deterministic discussions about the workings of existing popular frameworks - allowing design questions invites people [who are not in the know] to post non framework related discussions in that particular forum).
More or less, it would be about using frameworks - not creating them.
Re: New section: PHP Frameworks
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:48 am
by Benjamin
We will be adding a framework forum shortly. Please provide input on how you would like it organized and what should/shouldn't be covered.
Re: New section: PHP Frameworks
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:56 pm
by josh
I think the forum "rules" or "description" should be, "talk about building applications using an existing framework, do not talk about building a framework" (the latter is almost what "theory & design" is). If those are the posting guidelines, then I agree with Christopher in #2, no sub-forums yet.
If we let people ask design questions about frameworks they are developing, we open the doors to people asking questions like "teach me to use that wordpress framework" (which is not really a framework), and reflects badly on the quality of the forums.
I guess one possible definition of a framework could be whether a non programmer realizes benefit from it out of the box. If its useful to non programmers, its probably not a framework. Although that definition may not rule out all things that are not frameworks.